Hi All, How's the futures of SuSE in a long term ? right now suse.com redirected to http://www.novell.com/linux/suse/index.html And from rumors * i know, dont trust rumors !! * that sun will buy novell. Mean while, sun seems like lower their support to linux as they solaris 10 to be open-sources. Where will SuSE going to be ? Or i just worried too much :) regards, -- Arie Reynaldi Zanahar reymanx at gmail.com http://www.reynaldi.com
On Tuesday 21 December 2004 11:12 pm, John B wrote:
On Tuesday 21 December 2004 21:08, ReymanX wrote:
Hi All,
* i know, dont trust rumors !! *
Follow your advice and don't fret about it is what I say, heh.
I agree, why worry about what you can't control and may not happen. Reminds me of an old WWII submarine movie I saw once. The sub was being searched for by a destroyer and an old chief was trying to calm one his young sailors. Says the chief: Son, there are only two things that can happen. That destroyer will find us or it won't. If it doesn't, we've nothing to worry about. If it does, only two things can happen. It will drop depth charges or it won't. If it doesn't, there is nothing to worry about. If it does, only two things can happen. It will hit us or it won't. If it misses us, there is nothing to worry about. If it hits us, we won't be here so there is still nothing to worry about. So quit worrying. Doug
Hi All,
* i know, dont trust rumors !! *
Follow your advice and don't fret about it is what I say, heh.
John
Yeah, Do not trust rumors!! Sun is just like Microsoft. They throw bones out there just to get people wilded up over hot air and empty pipe dreams. If Sun were to buy Novell, We all bail! Not too many of us trust Sun. They are a perfect example of a devils advocate. Now, let's look at it this way? Why would Novell just sell out to Sun? Money, pressure from M.S., Going broke? No, Not hardly! They have their foot good and solid in the community. So far they haven't done anything to screw up the Corporate/GPL (SuSE) Community enviroment. A lot of proprietary companies are realizing the benefit of 5 million eyes; compared to a 100 in house. If Sun really, truly, wanted our trust; They can get their own Linux distro going. Even then they would tear it up. I'm just not too sure how to tolerate Sun. In one hand we have their Open Office, NFS, NIS, etc,etc; Then John comes out talking against the GPL. (Schizo'sssss) I do have good faith in Novell, IBM, HP. The list can go on and on. I realize we can all nit pick at'em for little things. All in all we have a good thing going. JD
Well guys, I think you really worry too much! The HEART of Linux is neither SuSE nor any other commercial company/corporation but the open source society - so WE. So, don't worry - it's only wasted time :-D Yours Martin -- Martin Deppe Bramfelder Chaussee 30 c D-22177 Hamburg Tel: +49-(0)40-69 21 38 99 Handy: +49-(0)171-94 778 59 Fax: +49-(0)40-2549 1651 E-Mail: Martin.Deppe@web.de ReymanX wrote:
Hi All,
How's the futures of SuSE in a long term ? right now suse.com redirected to http://www.novell.com/linux/suse/index.html And from rumors * i know, dont trust rumors !! * that sun will buy novell. Mean while, sun seems like lower their support to linux as they solaris 10 to be open-sources. Where will SuSE going to be ? Or i just worried too much :)
regards,
I think you really worry too much!
The HEART of Linux is neither SuSE nor any other commercial company/corporation but the open source society - so WE.
So, don't worry - it's only wasted time :-D
Yours Martin
Well, I think I do worry too much :) I like this distro alot.. and I hope any business movement that suse's people do, will not forget their loyal linux users, so we, as customer *do I say customer ? err.. I mean users :) *, will have better software in a long run.. About corporation, I still need support from some suse or their partners to help me config my server become a better one. And spending more money for it, if it's worth, doesnt matter. regards, -- Arie Reynaldi Zanahar reymanx at gmail.com http://www.reynaldi.com
You sure do.. Besides, do anyone really think that Sun can cough up the enormous amount of money it would take to buy Novell Corp? Besides, Novell Inc. is a whole lot bigger than Sun, if you look at the entire corporation. So stop worrying! And as Martin writes, Linux is really US, the users, not the multinational corporations! Merry X-mas all! Anders.
Well guys,
I think you really worry too much!
The HEART of Linux is neither SuSE nor any other commercial company/corporation but the open source society - so WE.
So, don't worry - it's only wasted time :-D
Yours Martin -- Martin Deppe Bramfelder Chaussee 30 c D-22177 Hamburg Tel: +49-(0)40-69 21 38 99 Handy: +49-(0)171-94 778 59 Fax: +49-(0)40-2549 1651 E-Mail: Martin.Deppe@web.de
ReymanX wrote:
Hi All,
How's the futures of SuSE in a long term ? right now suse.com redirected to http://www.novell.com/linux/suse/index.html And from rumors * i know, dont trust rumors !! * that sun will buy novell. Mean while, sun seems like lower their support to linux as they solaris 10 to be open-sources. Where will SuSE going to be ? Or i just worried too much :)
regards,
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On Wednesday 22 December 2004 03:10, Anders Norrbring wrote:
You sure do.. Besides, do anyone really think that Sun can cough up the enormous amount of money it would take to buy Novell Corp?
No
Besides, Novell Inc. is a whole lot bigger than Sun, if you look at the entire corporation. So stop worrying!
And as Martin writes, Linux is really US, the users, not the multinational corporations!
Merry X-mas all! Anders.
Well guys,
I think you really worry too much!
The HEART of Linux is neither SuSE nor any other commercial company/corporation but the open source society - so WE.
So, don't worry - it's only wasted time :-D
Yours Martin
Martin, On Wednesday 22 December 2004 01:57, Martin Deppe wrote:
Well guys,
I think you really worry too much!
The HEART of Linux is neither SuSE nor any other commercial company/corporation but the open source society - so WE.
That is true, in essence, but as a practical matter, things might well be worse for many SuSE users were it to change substantially or, god forbid, go away. As a software professional with very long history of using Unix, I'm comfortable with taking on as much responsibility as it takes to get a system that suits me. I've considered myself lucky to be able to get SuSE for so little cash--it frees me of all but the most basic local configuration and from all but a very little package building. A good distribution is a great convenience for me, but for others its the difference between getting what you want and having to make do with a less ideal system. I've used only a few distributions, so I don't have a very wide basis for comparison, but I think I'd be disappointed if SuSE (the distribution) wandered very far from its current makeup and the philosophy behind it.
...
Yours Martin
Randall Schulz
Randall R Schulz wrote:
Martin,
On Wednesday 22 December 2004 01:57, Martin Deppe wrote:
Well guys,
I think you really worry too much!
The HEART of Linux is neither SuSE nor any other commercial company/corporation but the open source society - so WE.
That is true, in essence, but as a practical matter, things might well be worse for many SuSE users were it to change substantially or, god forbid, go away.
As a software professional with very long history of using Unix, I'm comfortable with taking on as much responsibility as it takes to get a system that suits me. I've considered myself lucky to be able to get SuSE for so little cash--it frees me of all but the most basic local configuration and from all but a very little package building.
A good distribution is a great convenience for me, but for others its the difference between getting what you want and having to make do with a less ideal system.
I've used only a few distributions, so I don't have a very wide basis for comparison, but I think I'd be disappointed if SuSE (the distribution) wandered very far from its current makeup and the philosophy behind it.
Yours Martin
Randall Schulz
Yes, I fully agree with you and I have to admit that I haven't much contributed to the open source community yet regarding programming, but started to try to help users and people to convert from M$ to Linux :-) Anyways there is no need to worry since we will find a way to continue with this stream. Consider how it started and now we are muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch further, aren't we? Yours Martin -- Martin Deppe Bramfelder Chaussee 30 c D-22177 Hamburg Tel: +49-(0)40-69 21 38 99 Handy: +49-(0)171-94 778 59 Fax: +49-(0)40-2549 1651 E-Mail: Martin.Deppe@web.de
Martin, On Wednesday 22 December 2004 08:56, Martin Deppe wrote:
Randall R Schulz wrote:
Martin,
On Wednesday 22 December 2004 01:57, Martin Deppe wrote:
Well guys,
I think you really worry too much!
The HEART of Linux is neither SuSE nor any other commercial company/corporation but the open source society - so WE.
That is true, in essence, but as a practical matter, things might well be worse for many SuSE users were it to change substantially or, god forbid, go away.
...
A good distribution is a great convenience for me, but for others its the difference between getting what you want and having to make do with a less ideal system.
...
Yours Martin
Randall Schulz
Yes, I fully agree with you and I have to admit that I haven't much contributed to the open source community yet regarding programming, but started to try to help users and people to convert from M$ to Linux :-)
Programming is far from the only thing needed to support and sustain Linux and other open-source softwae. Clearly, documentation for much of the outstanding open-source software is less than ideal. Often, it's less than adequate. If you understand well a particular piece of software that is not well documented, you can contribute immensely by writing some documentation for it. Likewise, if you are competent in multiple languages, you could supply translations of existing documents. That can open up the audience for a given program considerably. Software that is extensible through things like scripting languages or templates can be promoted by sharing your own customizations. And, of course, helping people out on lists like this is nothing to sneeze at!
Anyways there is no need to worry since we will find a way to continue with this stream. Consider how it started and now we are muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch further, aren't we?
Linux is no longer a child. We don't need to worry about its mere survival, but we do need to care for it, nurture it (and its user community) and continue to support its maturation.
Yours Martin
Randall Schulz
> > >> > > >>The HEART of Linux is neither SuSE nor any other > commercial > > >>company/corporation but the open source society > - so WE. > > > The things that make me like Linux so much are the community, the fact it is free/cheap, powerful, diverse etc. But there is one thing that I like most the freedom it gives people who know it and can appreciate it....it keeps the spark that I think existed for people since they stated thinkering with machines and led to the modern computer it is the search for knowledge and improvement it is simply GREAT!!! some thoughts :) only as I missed the original tread. George ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
On Thursday 23 December 2004 18:53, George Stoianov wrote:
The HEART of Linux is neither SuSE nor any other
commercial
company/corporation but the open source society
- so WE.
The things that make me like Linux so much are the community, the fact it is free/cheap, powerful, diverse etc. But there is one thing that I like most the freedom it gives people who know it and can appreciate it....it keeps the spark that I think existed for people since they stated thinkering with machines and led to the modern computer it is the search for knowledge and improvement it is simply GREAT!!!
some thoughts :) only as I missed the original tread. George
I agree completely. Jerome
George Stoianov wrote: >>>>>The HEART of Linux is neither SuSE nor any other >>>>> >>>>> >>commercial >> >> >>>>>company/corporation but the open source society >>>>> >>>>> >>- so WE. >> >> > >The things that make me like Linux so much are the >community, the fact it is free/cheap, powerful, >diverse etc. But there is one thing that I like most >the freedom it gives people who know it and can >appreciate it....it keeps the spark that I think >existed for people since they stated thinkering with >machines and led to the modern computer it is the >search for knowledge and improvement it is simply >GREAT!!! > > >some thoughts :) only as I missed the original tread. >George > Thank you for your thoughts, you put them in wonderful words. Simply GREAT :-D Martin
Dan Am wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 22. Dezember 2004 04:08 schrieb ReymanX:
And from rumors * i know, dont trust rumors !! * that sun will buy novell
Let's spread another: "Novell is going to buy Sun !"
Merry X-Mas ! ;-)) Dan
It's doubtful the big fella (BIG BLUE) would let Sun buy Novell, don't forget that they have invested at least 50 million US in Novell and I'm sure they can trump Sun any day. As for the other one suggested for spreading, Novell would sink under the weight of what it had just bought and be smothered to death. Sun is upbeat with Solaris 10, they've had to admit Linux is of some use and also that x86 is good architecture - the wind is blowing this way and somehow they hope Linux will act as a lifeline to Solaris, though at times you have to wonder if the noise in the distance is really a train coming or if it's just a sound recording. I've installed the beta version of Solaris 10 for SPARC here, same old same old tired CDE and as far as I can tell, same old, same old dog to admin, so it shouldn't cause anyone's earnings to diminish if they do Solaris for a living. It's needed more disk resources than Solaris 8, but it seems snappier. Drat, looks like the SPARC box has at least a bad power supply or blown internal fuse after a power cut overnight. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =====LINUX ONLY USED HERE=====
Op woensdag 22 december 2004 21:12, schreef Sid Boyce:
I've installed the beta version of Solaris 10 for SPARC here, same old same old tired CDE and as far as I can tell, same old, same old dog to admin, so it shouldn't cause anyone's earnings to diminish if they do Solaris for a living.
Solaris 9 comes with gnome (I believe it is 2.2). I would think that 10 would come gnome 2.6 or maybe even 2.8... The admin tools may still be old fashioned (it's at least not comparable to yast...) -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
Richard Bos wrote:
Op woensdag 22 december 2004 21:12, schreef Sid Boyce:
I've installed the beta version of Solaris 10 for SPARC here, same old same old tired CDE and as far as I can tell, same old, same old dog to admin, so it shouldn't cause anyone's earnings to diminish if they do Solaris for a living.
Solaris 9 comes with gnome (I believe it is 2.2). I would think that 10 would come gnome 2.6 or maybe even 2.8...
It does come with gnome, although I'm not certain which version. I suspect that it also comes with CDE since a lot of people will yell if CDE isn't there (old dogs, new tricks, etc.). I thought the default was to be gnome, but I could be mistaken. It certainly is the default at work nowadays (ok, so I confess - I work at Sun). But we don't have any Solaris 10 machines available yet in our group. Steve
The admin tools may still be old fashioned (it's at least not comparable to yast...)
Steve wrote:
Richard Bos wrote:
Op woensdag 22 december 2004 21:12, schreef Sid Boyce:
I've installed the beta version of Solaris 10 for SPARC here, same old same old tired CDE and as far as I can tell, same old, same old dog to admin, so it shouldn't cause anyone's earnings to diminish if they do Solaris for a living.
Solaris 9 comes with gnome (I believe it is 2.2). I would think that 10 would come gnome 2.6 or maybe even 2.8...
It does come with gnome, although I'm not certain which version. I suspect that it also comes with CDE since a lot of people will yell if CDE isn't there (old dogs, new tricks, etc.). I thought the default was to be gnome, but I could be mistaken. It certainly is the default at work nowadays (ok, so I confess - I work at Sun). But we don't have any Solaris 10 machines available yet in our group.
Steve
The admin tools may still be old fashioned (it's at least not comparable to yast...)
The default is CDE, at least in the beta. I didn't get around to seeing what was available at the login screen - will check later. Even new dogs don't seem to be any more flexible, we've had guys who have done Solaris 1 and 2 who refuse to use the bash shell because the lecturer got them to use ksh and I know of only one guy who came back a bash convert, some of them spend the time to become experts in using "ksh -o vi" instead, something I am determined not ever to use, I can't even remember what the keyboard fingering is for any of it. If on 2.6 and 7 I can't get bash installed (customer's objection), I just type it all in. What, no scroungers in Sun? Surely you could get your hands on an Ultra5/10 and a cheap, i.e non-Sun IDE drive. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =====LINUX ONLY USED HERE=====
It does come with gnome, although I'm not certain which version. I suspect that it also comes with CDE since a lot of people will yell if CDE isn't there (old dogs, new tricks, etc.). I thought the default was to be gnome, but I could be mistaken. It certainly is the default at work nowadays (ok, so I confess - I work at Sun). But we don't have any Solaris 10 machines available yet in our group.
Steve
The admin tools may still be old fashioned (it's at least not comparable to yast...)
The default is CDE, at least in the beta. I didn't get around to seeing what was available at the login screen - will check later. Even new dogs don't seem to be any more flexible, we've had guys who have done Solaris 1 and 2 who refuse to use the bash shell because the lecturer got them to use ksh and I know of only one guy who came back a bash convert, some of them spend the time to become experts in using "ksh -o vi" instead, something I am determined not ever to use, I can't even remember what the keyboard fingering is for any of it. If on 2.6 and 7 I can't get bash installed (customer's objection), I just type it all in. What, no scroungers in Sun? Surely you could get your hands on an Ultra5/10 and a cheap, i.e non-Sun IDE drive. Regards Sid. --
I really dont know about solaris 10, my first *nix machine is linux back 1998.. :) As far as u know, solaris need big machine to run it. That's why i love this linux especially suse cause it has very good admin tools (yast) and support.. Do you guys think that this *dinosaurs* solaris still be a good thing to play ? cause now we can download it freely not like back then and it support x86 machine. regards, -- Arie Reynaldi Zanahar reymanx at gmail.com http://www.reynaldi.com
On Thu, 2004-12-23 at 17:25 +0700, ReymanX wrote:
I really dont know about solaris 10, my first *nix machine is linux back 1998.. :) As far as u know, solaris need big machine to run it. That's why i love this linux especially suse cause it has very good admin tools (yast) and support.. Do you guys think that this *dinosaurs* solaris still be a good thing to play ? cause now we can download it freely not like back then and it support x86 machine.
Could you all please stop this "fight" of solaris vs linux? Not because it might a flame without solaris supporters, but because from what i read till now most of you have no damn little idea about solaris! How can you judge solaris when all you know about it is CDE and ksh?? How can you consider it's tools old when you never played SMC? Please, everybody do a favour to everybody, stop this crap, suse will not die and just stop writing nonsense about solaris. Thanks. Josephine
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Could you all please stop this "fight" of solaris vs linux? Not because it might a flame without solaris supporters, but because from what i read till now most of you have no damn little idea about solaris! How can you judge solaris when all you know about it is CDE and ksh?? How can you consider it's tools old when you never played SMC? Please, everybody do a favour to everybody, stop this crap, suse will not die and just stop writing nonsense about solaris.
You're absolutely right, this belongs to the suse-ot list, and not in here. Merry Christmas to you all! Anders Norrbring Norrbring Consulting
I have a Sun AXi box with 440MHZ SPARC IIi chip that run's Solaris 8 and 9 just fine. Some of our applications get hosted on Solaris, so I use it for compatibility testing. I have never had any complaints about Solaris - it just was not as available as Linux on such a wide variety of hardware, with good community support. Performance always seemed comparable to Linux on the same hardware, but I did not do any benchmarks. It does some things very well and is supported by enterprise software applications well. We will just have to wait and see how open source Solaris works out. It cannot hurt - its another option and the competition may actually be good for Linux. My $.02 - Richard -----Original Message----- From: ReymanX [mailto:reymanx@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 3:26 AM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] Where suse will be ?
It does come with gnome, although I'm not certain which version. I suspect that it also comes with CDE since a lot of people will yell if CDE isn't there (old dogs, new tricks, etc.). I thought the default was to be gnome, but I could be mistaken. It certainly is the default at work nowadays (ok, so I confess - I work at Sun). But we don't have any Solaris 10 machines available yet in our group.
Steve
The admin tools may still be old fashioned (it's at least not comparable to yast...)
The default is CDE, at least in the beta. I didn't get around to seeing what was available at the login screen - will check later. Even new dogs don't seem to be any more flexible, we've had guys who have done Solaris 1 and 2 who refuse to use the bash shell because the lecturer got them to use ksh and I know of only one guy who came back a bash convert, some of them spend the time to become experts in using "ksh -o vi" instead, something I am determined not ever to use, I can't even remember what the keyboard fingering is for any of it. If on 2.6 and 7 I can't get bash installed (customer's objection), I just type it all in. What, no scroungers in Sun? Surely you could get your hands on an Ultra5/10 and a cheap, i.e non-Sun IDE drive. Regards Sid. --
I really dont know about solaris 10, my first *nix machine is linux back 1998.. :) As far as u know, solaris need big machine to run it. That's why i love this linux especially suse cause it has very good admin tools (yast) and support.. Do you guys think that this *dinosaurs* solaris still be a good thing to play ? cause now we can download it freely not like back then and it support x86 machine. regards, -- Arie Reynaldi Zanahar reymanx at gmail.com http://www.reynaldi.com -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
Sid Boyce wrote:
Steve wrote:
Richard Bos wrote:
Op woensdag 22 december 2004 21:12, schreef Sid Boyce:
I've installed the beta version of Solaris 10 for SPARC here, same old same old tired CDE and as far as I can tell, same old, same old dog to admin, so it shouldn't cause anyone's earnings to diminish if they do Solaris for a living.
Solaris 9 comes with gnome (I believe it is 2.2). I would think that 10 would come gnome 2.6 or maybe even 2.8...
It does come with gnome, although I'm not certain which version. I suspect that it also comes with CDE since a lot of people will yell if CDE isn't there (old dogs, new tricks, etc.). I thought the default was to be gnome, but I could be mistaken. It certainly is the default at work nowadays (ok, so I confess - I work at Sun). But we don't have any Solaris 10 machines available yet in our group.
Steve
The admin tools may still be old fashioned (it's at least not comparable to yast...)
The default is CDE, at least in the beta. I didn't get around to seeing what was available at the login screen - will check later. Even new dogs don't seem to be any more flexible, we've had guys who have done Solaris 1 and 2 who refuse to use the bash shell because the lecturer got them to use ksh and I know of only one guy who came back a bash convert, some of them spend the time to become experts in using "ksh -o vi" instead, something I am determined not ever to use, I can't even remember what the keyboard fingering is for any of it. If on 2.6 and 7 I can't get bash installed (customer's objection), I just type it all in. What, no scroungers in Sun? Surely you could get your hands on an Ultra5/10 and a cheap, i.e non-Sun IDE drive. Regards Sid.
Solaris 10 SPARC comes with gnome 2.4 (???says 2_0_4), replaced the /usr/dt/bin/Xsession with the gnome one and it works. CDE is a submenu of gnome. Clicking on START HERE or starting netscape is a lot slower opening than Sol9, but generally snappy for an Ultra 5/333MHz/128Meg under Solaris. Clicking on applications after START HERE and Nautilus is still has the pacman-like eater whirring around after 10 minutes, I presume it will be OK in the final. A lot OT, but some may like to know what the Linux competion is doing -- I'll shut up now. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and Keen Flyer =====ALMOST ALL LINUX USED HERE, Solaris 10 SPARC is just for play=====
Richard Bos wrote:
Op woensdag 22 december 2004 21:12, schreef Sid Boyce:
I've installed the beta version of Solaris 10 for SPARC here, same old same old tired CDE and as far as I can tell, same old, same old dog to admin, so it shouldn't cause anyone's earnings to diminish if they do Solaris for a living.
Solaris 9 comes with gnome (I believe it is 2.2). I would think that 10 would come gnome 2.6 or maybe even 2.8...
The admin tools may still be old fashioned (it's at least not comparable to yast...)
More likely 2.4. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =====LINUX ONLY USED HERE=====
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