I use both RedHat 5.0 and SUSE 5.2. Which is better? Good question. SUSE is more readily configurable in terms of its Windows Managers, etc, but RedHat seems to have fewer difficulties coexisting with other operating systems (like Win95 or WinNT). SUSE has a lot of little touches that kinda make me lean toward it as my linux of choice, but then again RedHat (particularly in terms of instalation) seems a bit "cleaner" to me... Go figure

-----Original Message----- From: owner-suse-linux-e@suse.com [<A HREF="mailto:owner-suse-linux-e@suse.com]On">mailto:owner-suse-linux-e@suse.com]On</A> Behalf Of TEX Sent: Friday, June 26, 1998 3:20 PM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse

I guess that means that it is the one to beat.

hekate@intergate.bc.ca wrote:

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Question: why when discussing the great dist that is SuSE, must

RH ALWAYS

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inevitably come up?

On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Marc Bouron wrote:

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:18:10 GMT From: Marc Bouron Reply-To: suse-linux-e@suse.com To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse

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Hello suse users,

I am a current redhat 5.0 user and have been debating changing over to suse I have been using linux since the days of the 1.2 kernel. I started with slackware and switched to RH5.0 last December. I have been mostly happy with RH5.0 and considered upgrading to RH5.1, but the rh list has been filled with woes of upgrading. I have heard good things about suse. that is why I joined this list. I wanted to get a feel for the number and kinds of problems suse users are encountering. I am trying to pick the best distribution for my home, but also for work. we are considering changing our internet server from sco to linux. any former rh 5.0 users out there? what are your opinions of suse? any opinions are welcome. thanks.

I had a lot of trouble trying to install RH5.0. In the end I gave up and went with SuSE, which installed and ran virtually out of the box.

Cheers, Marc.

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me neither. On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Ken Schuller wrote:

Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:18:43 -0500 From: Ken Schuller Reply-To: suse-linux-e@suse.com To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse

Joseph Beaman wrote:

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SUSE is more readily configurable in terms of its Windows Managers, etc, but RedHat seems to have fewer difficulties coexisting with other operating systems (like Win95 or WinNT).

Care to elaborate? I haven't had any difficulties at all- I'm curious about what you're referring to.

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Joseph Beaman wrote:

Sure,

I have windows 95 installed on the first partition of my hard drive. I am using partition magic 3.0, and it's boot manager is installed on the second partition. The third partition is my linux swap partition, and finally I have my linux native partition on the remainder of the drive. All of this is below 1024 cylinders, as LILO requires, but then I try to boot with Linux (SUSE), I get stuck at the L (in LILO). Now, I have no problems with Redhat with the same configuration, but with SUSE I have to use a boot disk to load.

No, you don't. You need to ensure the partition is active, both from Partition Magic, and from YaST. Had the same difficulty (I use System Commander). Ken

Joe

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Joseph Beaman wrote:

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SUSE is more readily configurable in terms of its Windows Managers, etc, but RedHat seems to have fewer difficulties coexisting with other operating systems (like Win95 or WinNT).

Care to elaborate? I haven't had any difficulties at all- I'm curious about what you're referring to.

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The arrangement of partitions on hard drives using Win95 and Linux (whatever distribution) seems to be a problem for lots of people. I can't claim to be an expert, but I have one solution to the problem. This works with RedHat and SUSE. You'll need Partition Magic. If you don't have version 3.05, download the upgrade from their web site (it's free): <A HREF="http://www.powerquest.com"><A HREF="http://www.powerquest.com</A">http://www.powerquest.com. Use Partition Magic to setup your drive(s) as follows: |Boot Manager | Linux root / | Win95 | Logical drives | All of the Win95 partitions need to be in a chain. Thus, you will have Linux partitions at the beginning (after boot manager) and end of your drive, with Win95 stuff in the middle. Your root "/" linux partition must be in the first 2.0 GB section of the primary drive. Put it before Win95. The rest of the linux partitions, including the swap, will be at the end. You will have to figure out how much space to allocate, and how many partitions, depending on what you want to install. With Partition Magic it's easy to move things around. Don't be afraid to move the Win95 boot partition over to make room for Linux. Here's how my two drives are setup: Drive 0: | boot manager | Linux root | Windows95 Drive C | Drive 1: | Windows 95 Drive D | DOS mount | Linux /usr | Linux swap | I recommend setting up all the partitions as DOS partitions with Parition Magic. Make those you plan to use for Linux "hidden". Yast will find them. Go ahead and install the boot manager with only Windows 95. When you set up your drives in Linux with Yast, just change the properties of these existing partitions. I am using fat 32 for drives C and D, and fat 16 for the DOS mount partition I use to transfer files between systems. If you're using fat16 for everything, then the setup is a bit more complicated. You can only have four partitions in the special 2.0GB area of the first drive. Thus you will have: | boot manager | Linux root | Windows95 | Extended | you can then break up the Extended partition to however-many partitions you need. Remember that all the Win95 partitions go first, and the Linux partitions go after, at the end. It may sound counter-intuitive to arrange partitions this way. My natural inclination was to have each operating system in its own separate area. Unfortunately, this isn't possible. Both operating systems have to have their bootable partitions in the first 2.0GB space of the primary drive. And you have to have all the Win95 partitions on each drive in a single unbroken "chain". Thus by default, you have to put Linux at the beginning and end of the drive, with Win95 in the middle. When it's time to install LILO, you will have a choice of where to write. Do NOT let Yast write LILO to the MBR master boot record. Instead, write LILO to your Linux root partition "\", (which is in the first 2.0GB area of the first drive). Then, restart Partition Magic in DOS, and add the Linux boot partition to the boot manager menu. The two most frequent problems I've seen: Trying to put the bootable Linux root partition somewhere besides the beginning of the primary drive. Writing LILO information to the Master Boot Record. There are undoubtedly many ways to setup and configure a system, and someone may know of a better way than what I've outlined. Nevertheless, if you follow my directions you will be able to set up a dual boot system without destroying anything. Note that if you need to reinstall Win95 in the future, it will warn you and then overwrite your boot manager. This is not a problem. You can simply reinstall boot manager after the re-install is done. Alan Riggins -----Original Message----- From: owner-suse-linux-e@suse.com [<A HREF="mailto:owner-suse-linux-e@suse.com]On">mailto:owner-suse-linux-e@suse.com]On</A> Behalf Of Joseph Beaman Sent: Friday, June 26, 1998 5:51 PM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse Sure, I have windows 95 installed on the first partition of my hard drive. I am using partition magic 3.0, and it's boot manager is installed on the second partition. The third partition is my linux swap partition, and finally I have my linux native partition on the remainder of the drive. All of this is below 1024 cylinders, as LILO requires, but then I try to boot with Linux (SUSE), I get stuck at the L (in LILO). Now, I have no problems with Redhat with the same configuration, but with SUSE I have to use a boot disk to load. Joe

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Joseph Beaman wrote:

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SUSE is more readily configurable in terms of its Windows Managers, etc, but RedHat seems to have fewer difficulties coexisting with other operating systems (like Win95 or WinNT).

Care to elaborate? I haven't had any difficulties at all- I'm curious about what you're referring to.

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If we judge the S.u.S.E. manual on the basis of "standard" (read: British/American) English, it make come up wanting in the grammatical department, but S.u.S.E. is a continental-European distro (and is very popular over there, as we know). Among non-British or non-American users of English, clarity counts more than adherence to "correct" British or American-English grammar. S.u.S.E.'s manual goes the extra step, however. Its writers have a humorous and light-hearted approach to Linux -- and their enthusiasm springs from the page. You can see that the S.u.S.E. staff think Linux is great fun, and this ingredient -- fun -- is what's sorely lacking from M---S---T products. The manual is also complete on other topics not covered by the manuals of other distros, such as emulators, LaTeX, window managers, and the like. You gotta love it. -- Glenn -- - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

Joseph Beaman wrote:

Sure,

I have windows 95 installed on the first partition of my hard drive. I am using partition magic 3.0, and it's boot manager is installed on the second partition. The third partition is my linux swap partition, and finally I have my linux native partition on the remainder of the drive. All of this is below 1024 cylinders, as LILO requires, but then I try to boot with Linux (SUSE), I get stuck at the L (in LILO). Now, I have no problems with Redhat with the same configuration, but with SUSE I have to use a boot disk to load.

Remove the 'linear' flag in the LILO configuration (either with YaST, or in /etc/lilo.conf) and try again... Ciao, BB -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 bb@suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 <A HREF="http://www.suse.com"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com</A">http://www.suse.com Oakland CA, 94610 USA - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

Just some personal opinions. I have just moved to SuSE 5.2 from RH 5.0. I like both distributions for different reasons: I guess it depends on your hardware options but I believe that it would be easier for a newcomer to install RH than SuSE because the installation process is more linear. SuSE puts you more in control but requires that you know just a little about what is happening. The tradeoff, of course, is that any post install tweaks are very much easier in SuSE. We should be thankful that we can buy distributions from competitors and move our software between them with such ease. My philosophy on buying Linux stuff is to get it from the people with the right attitude. I switched to SuSE because of their support for KDE. I believe this has the potential to tempt people across the divide. KDE always looks crisp, clean and professional, and then once you use it you find that it is very well integrated. RH are also to be commended on their adoption of glibc but seem to have got stung for burning CDs a bit hastily. They are commercial and will no doubt learn from this. When I apply this to office suites I find myself using StarOffice. It has glitches but these are being ironed out rapidly and the company, again, has the right attitude - it acknowledges the help it gets from the Linux community & rewards us (yes, I realise there is cunning marketing in there as well). Finally, there has been a lot of talk about the added value of purchasing a distribution. I view the extra cost as a subsidy to SuSE/RH/etc. that allows them to polish the product for more general consumption. If I get some tech. support then great, if I get a nice book then great again. Despite it being "free" I will probably spend more money on Linux than I would on Windows but then Linux is nice enough to make a hobby out of. Brian. - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

Hello Brian and all of you, I like to read your "thinking about suse" -- I guess we'll profit from it. Brian Jones writes: | [...] I guess it depends on your hardware options but I believe that | it would be easier for a newcomer to install RH than SuSE because | the installation process is more linear. Yes, that's a right observation. But with the forthcoming 5.3 we can offer a linear installation process, too ;) Of course, the old way will be provided as well; the old way will be labeled "expert mode". Karl -- Karl Eichwalder S.u.S.E. GmbH Fax +49-911-3206727 ke@suse.de Gebhardtstrasse 2 Mo & Th 13:00-18:00: <A HREF="http://www.suse.de"><A HREF="http://www.suse.de</A">http://www.suse.de 90762 Fuerth, Germany Hotline +49-911-3247130 - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e