From marc_bouron@hotmail.com Fri Jun 26 11:18:10 1998 From: marc_bouron@hotmail.com To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:18:10 +0000 Message-ID: <19980626111811.16026.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <[S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7672293878612755144==" --===============7672293878612755144== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Hello suse users, > >I am a current redhat 5.0 user and have been debating changing over to=20 suse >I have been using linux since the days of the 1.2 kernel. I started=20 with=20 >slackware and switched to RH5.0 last December. I have been mostly=20 happy with >RH5.0 and considered upgrading to RH5.1, but the rh list has been=20 filled with woes of upgrading. I have heard good things about suse. =20 that is why I joined >this list. I wanted to get a feel for the number and kinds of problems=20 suse users are encountering. I am trying to pick the best distribution=20 for my home, but also for work. we are considering changing our=20 internet server from sco to >linux. any former rh 5.0 users out there? what are your opinions of=20 suse? >any opinions are welcome. thanks. I had a lot of trouble trying to install RH5.0. In the end I gave up and went with SuSE, which installed and ran virtually out of the box. Cheers, Marc. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com> - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============7672293878612755144==-- From sodah@qatar.net.qa Fri Jun 26 11:37:47 1998 From: sodah@qatar.net.qa To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:37:47 +0300 Message-ID: <35938809.F0BC9DC@qatar.net.qa> In-Reply-To: <19980626111811.16026.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7869183630670459926==" --===============7869183630670459926== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK! bye -fadi - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============7869183630670459926==-- From hekate@intergate.bc.ca Fri Jun 26 11:48:54 1998 From: hekate@intergate.bc.ca To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 04:48:54 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19980626111811.16026.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8328162719931711083==" --===============8328162719931711083== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Question: why when discussing the great dist that is SuSE, must RH ALWAYS inevitably come up?=20 On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Marc Bouron wrote: > Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:18:10 GMT > From: Marc Bouron > Reply-To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse >=20 >=20 > >Hello suse users, > > > >I am a current redhat 5.0 user and have been debating changing over to=20 > suse > >I have been using linux since the days of the 1.2 kernel. I started=20 > with=20 > >slackware and switched to RH5.0 last December. I have been mostly=20 > happy with > >RH5.0 and considered upgrading to RH5.1, but the rh list has been=20 > filled with woes of upgrading. I have heard good things about suse. =20 > that is why I joined > >this list. I wanted to get a feel for the number and kinds of problems=20 > suse users are encountering. I am trying to pick the best distribution=20 > for my home, but also for work. we are considering changing our=20 > internet server from sco to > >linux. any former rh 5.0 users out there? what are your opinions of=20 > suse? > >any opinions are welcome. thanks. >=20 > I had a lot of trouble trying to install RH5.0. In the end I gave > up and went with SuSE, which installed and ran virtually out of the > box. >=20 > Cheers, > Marc. >=20 >=20 >=20 > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com> > - > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e >=20 - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============8328162719931711083==-- From hekate@intergate.bc.ca Fri Jun 26 17:43:48 1998 From: hekate@intergate.bc.ca To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:43:48 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <35943A63.1D309E0E@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8613369415916163595==" --===============8613369415916163595== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit me neither. On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Ken Schuller wrote: > Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:18:43 -0500 > From: Ken Schuller > Reply-To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse > > > Joseph Beaman wrote: > > SUSE > > is more readily configurable in terms of its Windows Managers, etc, but > > RedHat seems to have fewer difficulties coexisting with other operating > > systems (like Win95 or WinNT). > > Care to elaborate? I haven't had any difficulties at all- I'm curious > about what you're referring to. > > Ken > -- > > Ken Schuller > > Network Systems Specialist > > NovaNET Learning, Inc. > > Take out the spam foil to reply via e-mail. > > Incidentally, I speak for me. That's all. No one else. > > Linux- the best things in life are free! (Or at least GPL'ed...) > - > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============8613369415916163595==-- From mhtexcollins@ccms.net Fri Jun 26 22:19:30 1998 From: mhtexcollins@ccms.net To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:19:30 -0500 Message-ID: <35941E72.9CD7BE46@ccms.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1992674497145031513==" --===============1992674497145031513== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess that means that it is the one to beat. =20 hekate(a)intergate.bc.ca wrote: >=20 > Question: why when discussing the great dist that is SuSE, must RH ALWAYS > inevitably come up? >=20 > On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Marc Bouron wrote: >=20 > > Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:18:10 GMT > > From: Marc Bouron > > Reply-To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > > To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > > Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse > > > > > > >Hello suse users, > > > > > >I am a current redhat 5.0 user and have been debating changing over to > > suse > > >I have been using linux since the days of the 1.2 kernel. I started > > with > > >slackware and switched to RH5.0 last December. I have been mostly > > happy with > > >RH5.0 and considered upgrading to RH5.1, but the rh list has been > > filled with woes of upgrading. I have heard good things about suse. > > that is why I joined > > >this list. I wanted to get a feel for the number and kinds of problems > > suse users are encountering. I am trying to pick the best distribution > > for my home, but also for work. we are considering changing our > > internet server from sco to > > >linux. any former rh 5.0 users out there? what are your opinions of > > suse? > > >any opinions are welcome. thanks. > > > > I had a lot of trouble trying to install RH5.0. In the end I gave > > up and went with SuSE, which installed and ran virtually out of the > > box. > > > > Cheers, > > Marc. > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com> > > - > > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > > >=20 > - > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --=20 - - -- IMHO BEST Beginners book so far. Sams' Teach Yourself Linux in 24 hours. redhat press. - Celis Gran Cru and Linux; Nowhere but South Austin Texas. - - - TEX http://www.ccms.net/~mh= texcollins/78704.htm> __ / / __ _ _ _ _ __ __ / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / /____/ /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ ...for IQs GREATER than 95/98?... --- - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============1992674497145031513==-- From beamanj@novaquest.com Fri Jun 26 22:57:21 1998 From: beamanj@novaquest.com To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:57:21 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bda155$c73010b0$0100a8c0@starfleet.pacbell.net> In-Reply-To: <35941E72.9CD7BE46@ccms.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7735514001841018989==" --===============7735514001841018989== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use both RedHat 5.0 and SUSE 5.2. Which is better? Good question. SUSE is more readily configurable in terms of its Windows Managers, etc, but RedHat seems to have fewer difficulties coexisting with other operating systems (like Win95 or WinNT). SUSE has a lot of little touches that kinda make me lean toward it as my linux of choice, but then again RedHat (particularly in terms of instalation) seems a bit "cleaner" to me... Go figure > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com [mailto:owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com]On > Behalf Of TEX > Sent: Friday, June 26, 1998 3:20 PM > To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse > > > > I guess that means that it is the one to beat. > > hekate(a)intergate.bc.ca wrote: > > > > Question: why when discussing the great dist that is SuSE, must > RH ALWAYS > > inevitably come up? > > > > On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Marc Bouron wrote: > > > > > Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:18:10 GMT > > > From: Marc Bouron > > > Reply-To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > > > To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > > > Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse > > > > > > > > > >Hello suse users, > > > > > > > >I am a current redhat 5.0 user and have been debating > changing over to > > > suse > > > >I have been using linux since the days of the 1.2 kernel. I started > > > with > > > >slackware and switched to RH5.0 last December. I have been mostly > > > happy with > > > >RH5.0 and considered upgrading to RH5.1, but the rh list has been > > > filled with woes of upgrading. I have heard good things about suse. > > > that is why I joined > > > >this list. I wanted to get a feel for the number and kinds > of problems > > > suse users are encountering. I am trying to pick the best > distribution > > > for my home, but also for work. we are considering changing our > > > internet server from sco to > > > >linux. any former rh 5.0 users out there? what are your opinions of > > > suse? > > > >any opinions are welcome. thanks. > > > > > > I had a lot of trouble trying to install RH5.0. In the end I gave > > > up and went with SuSE, which installed and ran virtually out of the > > > box. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Marc. > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com> > > > - > > > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > > > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > > > > > > > - > > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > > -- > - > - > -- > IMHO BEST Beginners book so far. Sams' Teach Yourself Linux in 24 hours. > redhat press. > > - > Celis Gran Cru and Linux; Nowhere but South Austin Texas. > - > - > - > TEX http://www.ccms.net/~= mhtexcollins/78704.htm> > > __ > / / __ _ _ _ _ __ __ > / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / > /____/ /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ > ...for IQs GREATER than 95/98?... > --- > - > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============7735514001841018989==-- From schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de Sat Jun 27 00:18:43 1998 From: schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:18:43 -0500 Message-ID: <35943A63.1D309E0E@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net> In-Reply-To: <000001bda155$c73010b0$0100a8c0@starfleet.pacbell.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9171282980813684473==" --===============9171282980813684473== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joseph Beaman wrote: > SUSE > is more readily configurable in terms of its Windows Managers, etc, but > RedHat seems to have fewer difficulties coexisting with other operating > systems (like Win95 or WinNT). Care to elaborate? I haven't had any difficulties at all- I'm curious about what you're referring to. Ken -- Ken Schuller Network Systems Specialist NovaNET Learning, Inc. Take out the spam foil to reply via e-mail. Incidentally, I speak for me. That's all. No one else. Linux- the best things in life are free! (Or at least GPL'ed...) - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============9171282980813684473==-- From beamanj@novaquest.com Sat Jun 27 00:51:03 1998 From: beamanj@novaquest.com To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:51:03 -0700 Message-ID: <000401bda165$a90be5e0$0100a8c0@starfleet.pacbell.net> In-Reply-To: <35943A63.1D309E0E@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0746441697852225913==" --===============0746441697852225913== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sure, I have windows 95 installed on the first partition of my hard drive. I am using partition magic 3.0, and it's boot manager is installed on the second partition. The third partition is my linux swap partition, and finally I have my linux native partition on the remainder of the drive. All of this is below 1024 cylinders, as LILO requires, but then I try to boot with Linux (SUSE), I get stuck at the L (in LILO). Now, I have no problems with Redhat with the same configuration, but with SUSE I have to use a boot disk to load. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com [mailto:owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com]On > Behalf Of Ken Schuller > Sent: Friday, June 26, 1998 5:19 PM > To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse > > > > Joseph Beaman wrote: > > SUSE > > is more readily configurable in terms of its Windows Managers, etc, but > > RedHat seems to have fewer difficulties coexisting with other operating > > systems (like Win95 or WinNT). > > Care to elaborate? I haven't had any difficulties at all- I'm curious > about what you're referring to. > > Ken > -- > > Ken Schuller > > Network Systems Specialist > > NovaNET Learning, Inc. > > Take out the spam foil to reply via e-mail. > > Incidentally, I speak for me. That's all. No one else. > > Linux- the best things in life are free! (Or at least GPL'ed...) > - > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============0746441697852225913==-- From schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de Sat Jun 27 01:36:49 1998 From: schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 20:36:49 -0500 Message-ID: <35944CB1.B50F3267@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net> In-Reply-To: <000401bda165$a90be5e0$0100a8c0@starfleet.pacbell.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1392256488231332476==" --===============1392256488231332476== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joseph Beaman wrote: >=20 > Sure, >=20 > I have windows 95 installed on the first partition of my hard drive. I am > using partition magic 3.0, and it's boot manager is installed on the second > partition. The third partition is my linux swap partition, and finally I > have my linux native partition on the remainder of the drive. All of this > is below 1024 cylinders, as LILO requires, but then I try to boot with Linux > (SUSE), I get stuck at the L (in LILO). Now, I have no problems with Redhat > with the same configuration, but with SUSE I have to use a boot disk to > load. No, you don't. You need to ensure the partition is active, both from Partition Magic, and from YaST. Had the same difficulty (I use System Commander). Ken >=20 > Joe >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com [mailto:owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com]On > > Behalf Of Ken Schuller > > Sent: Friday, June 26, 1998 5:19 PM > > To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > > Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse > > > > > > > > Joseph Beaman wrote: > > > SUSE > > > is more readily configurable in terms of its Windows Managers, etc, but > > > RedHat seems to have fewer difficulties coexisting with other operating > > > systems (like Win95 or WinNT). > > > > Care to elaborate? I haven't had any difficulties at all- I'm curious > > about what you're referring to. > > > > Ken > > -- > > > > Ken Schuller > > > > Network Systems Specialist > > > > NovaNET Learning, Inc. > > > > Take out the spam foil to reply via e-mail. > > > > Incidentally, I speak for me. That's all. No one else. > > > > Linux- the best things in life are free! (Or at least GPL'ed...) > > - > > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > > >=20 > - > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --=20 Ken Schuller Network Systems Specialist NovaNET Learning, Inc. Take out the spam foil to reply via e-mail. Incidentally, I speak for me. That's all. No one else. Linux- the best things in life are free! (Or at least GPL'ed...) - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============1392256488231332476==-- From beamanj@novaquest.com Sat Jun 27 06:14:23 1998 From: beamanj@novaquest.com To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:14:23 -0700 Message-ID: <000501bda192$d44794c0$0100a8c0@starfleet.pacbell.net> In-Reply-To: <35944CB1.B50F3267@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8674522197794057531==" --===============8674522197794057531== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually, that wasn't it either... I just fixed it. It had to do with the linear option in LILO. In Partition magic, only the boot manager partition should be active--although both the WIn95 (in my case) and linux partitions need to be marked bootable. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com [mailto:owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com]On > Behalf Of Ken Schuller > Sent: Friday, June 26, 1998 6:37 PM > To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse > > > > Joseph Beaman wrote: > > > > Sure, > > > > I have windows 95 installed on the first partition of my hard > drive. I am > > using partition magic 3.0, and it's boot manager is installed > on the second > > partition. The third partition is my linux swap partition, and finally I > > have my linux native partition on the remainder of the drive. > All of this > > is below 1024 cylinders, as LILO requires, but then I try to > boot with Linux > > (SUSE), I get stuck at the L (in LILO). Now, I have no > problems with Redhat > > with the same configuration, but with SUSE I have to use a boot disk to > > load. > > No, you don't. You need to ensure the partition is active, both from > Partition Magic, and from YaST. Had the same difficulty (I use System > Commander). > > Ken > > > > > > Joe > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > [mailto:owner-suse-linu= x-e(a)suse.com]On > > > Behalf Of Ken Schuller > > > Sent: Friday, June 26, 1998 5:19 PM > > > To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > > > Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse > > > > > > > > > > > > Joseph Beaman wrote: > > > > SUSE > > > > is more readily configurable in terms of its Windows > Managers, etc, but > > > > RedHat seems to have fewer difficulties coexisting with > other operating > > > > systems (like Win95 or WinNT). > > > > > > Care to elaborate? I haven't had any difficulties at all- > I'm curious > > > about what you're referring to. > > > > > > Ken > > > -- > > > > > > Ken Schuller > > > > > > Network Systems Specialist > > > > > > NovaNET Learning, Inc. > > > > > > Take out the spam foil to reply via e-mail. > > > > > > Incidentally, I speak for me. That's all. No one else. > > > > > > Linux- the best things in life are free! (Or at least GPL'ed...) > > > - > > > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > > > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > > > > > > > - > > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > > -- > > Ken Schuller > > Network Systems Specialist > > NovaNET Learning, Inc. > > Take out the spam foil to reply via e-mail. > > Incidentally, I speak for me. That's all. No one else. > > Linux- the best things in life are free! (Or at least GPL'ed...) > - > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============8674522197794057531==-- From brian.jones3@virgin.net Sat Jun 27 08:01:31 1998 From: brian.jones3@virgin.net To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 09:01:31 +0100 Message-ID: <3594A6DB.571508E3@virgin.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3650078198481797506==" --===============3650078198481797506== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just some personal opinions. I have just moved to SuSE 5.2 from RH 5.0. I like both distributions for different reasons: I guess it depends on your hardware options but I believe that it would be easier for a newcomer to install RH than SuSE because the installation process is more linear. SuSE puts you more in control but requires that you know just a little about what is happening. The tradeoff, of course, is that any post install tweaks are very much easier in SuSE. We should be thankful that we can buy distributions from competitors and move our software between them with such ease. My philosophy on buying Linux stuff is to get it from the people with the right attitude. I switched to SuSE because of their support for KDE. I believe this has the potential to tempt people across the divide. KDE always looks crisp, clean and professional, and then once you use it you find that it is very well integrated. RH are also to be commended on their adoption of glibc but seem to have got stung for burning CDs a bit hastily. They are commercial and will no doubt learn from this. When I apply this to office suites I find myself using StarOffice. It has glitches but these are being ironed out rapidly and the company, again, has the right attitude - it acknowledges the help it gets from the Linux community & rewards us (yes, I realise there is cunning marketing in there as well). Finally, there has been a lot of talk about the added value of purchasing a distribution. I view the extra cost as a subsidy to SuSE/RH/etc. that allows them to polish the product for more general consumption. If I get some tech. support then great, if I get a nice book then great again. Despite it being "free" I will probably spend more money on Linux than I would on Windows but then Linux is nice enough to make a hobby out of. Brian. - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============3650078198481797506==-- From lsayre@integrityonline13.com Sat Jun 27 12:01:05 1998 From: lsayre@integrityonline13.com To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:01:05 -0500 Message-ID: <3594DF01.B1E2BE1F@integrityonline13.com> In-Reply-To: <35943A63.1D309E0E@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7133510528675300798==" --===============7133510528675300798== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ken Schuller wrote: > > Joseph Beaman wrote: > > SUSE > > is more readily configurable in terms of its Windows Managers, etc, but > > RedHat seems to have fewer difficulties coexisting with other operating > > systems (like Win95 or WinNT). > > Care to elaborate? I haven't had any difficulties at all- I'm curious > about what you're referring to. > > Ken > -- > > Ken Schuller > > Network Systems Specialist > > NovaNET Learning, Inc. > > Take out the spam foil to reply via e-mail. > > Incidentally, I speak for me. That's all. No one else. > > Linux- the best things in life are free! (Or at least GPL'ed...) > - > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e No problems here either, running SuSE Linux 5.2 and Win95 just fine (except for those blue screen of death things in Win95). At one time I had DOS, OS/2, Win95, and SuSE Linux all running on one machine with no problems, except that I ran out of room on my HD and had to cut a few out. ----------------------------------------------- Man's mind is his basic tool of survival! Lawrence Sayre ----------------------------------------------- - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============7133510528675300798==-- From ariggins@home.com Sat Jun 27 16:05:41 1998 From: ariggins@home.com To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 09:05:41 -0700 Message-ID: <000101bda1e5$6ecc2fe0$44920018@cx814254-a.dt1.sdca.home.com> In-Reply-To: <000401bda165$a90be5e0$0100a8c0@starfleet.pacbell.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7369037783970591208==" --===============7369037783970591208== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The arrangement of partitions on hard drives using Win95 and Linux (whatever distribution) seems to be a problem for lots of people. I can't claim to be an expert, but I have one solution to the problem. This works with RedHat and SUSE. You'll need Partition Magic. If you don't have version 3.05, download the upgrade from their web site (it's free): http://www.powerquest.com>. Use Partition Magic to setup your drive(s) as follows: |Boot Manager | Linux root / | Win95 | Logical drives | All of the Win95 partitions need to be in a chain. Thus, you will have Linux partitions at the beginning (after boot manager) and end of your drive, with Win95 stuff in the middle. Your root "/" linux partition must be in the first 2.0 GB section of the primary drive. Put it before Win95. The rest of the linux partitions, including the swap, will be at the end. You will have to figure out how much space to allocate, and how many partitions, depending on what you want to install. With Partition Magic it's easy to move things around. Don't be afraid to move the Win95 boot partition over to make room for Linux. Here's how my two drives are setup: Drive 0: | boot manager | Linux root | Windows95 Drive C | Drive 1: | Windows 95 Drive D | DOS mount | Linux /usr | Linux swap | I recommend setting up all the partitions as DOS partitions with Parition Magic. Make those you plan to use for Linux "hidden". Yast will find them. Go ahead and install the boot manager with only Windows 95. When you set up your drives in Linux with Yast, just change the properties of these existing partitions. I am using fat 32 for drives C and D, and fat 16 for the DOS mount partition I use to transfer files between systems. If you're using fat16 for everything, then the setup is a bit more complicated. You can only have four partitions in the special 2.0GB area of the first drive. Thus you will have: | boot manager | Linux root | Windows95 | Extended | you can then break up the Extended partition to however-many partitions you need. Remember that all the Win95 partitions go first, and the Linux partitions go after, at the end. It may sound counter-intuitive to arrange partitions this way. My natural inclination was to have each operating system in its own separate area. Unfortunately, this isn't possible. Both operating systems have to have their bootable partitions in the first 2.0GB space of the primary drive. And you have to have all the Win95 partitions on each drive in a single unbroken "chain". Thus by default, you have to put Linux at the beginning and end of the drive, with Win95 in the middle. When it's time to install LILO, you will have a choice of where to write. Do NOT let Yast write LILO to the MBR master boot record. Instead, write LILO to your Linux root partition "\", (which is in the first 2.0GB area of the first drive). Then, restart Partition Magic in DOS, and add the Linux boot partition to the boot manager menu. The two most frequent problems I've seen: Trying to put the bootable Linux root partition somewhere besides the beginning of the primary drive. Writing LILO information to the Master Boot Record. There are undoubtedly many ways to setup and configure a system, and someone may know of a better way than what I've outlined. Nevertheless, if you follow my directions you will be able to set up a dual boot system without destroying anything. Note that if you need to reinstall Win95 in the future, it will warn you and then overwrite your boot manager. This is not a problem. You can simply reinstall boot manager after the re-install is done. Alan Riggins -----Original Message----- From: owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com [mailto:owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com]On Behalf Of Joseph Beaman Sent: Friday, June 26, 1998 5:51 PM To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse Sure, I have windows 95 installed on the first partition of my hard drive. I am using partition magic 3.0, and it's boot manager is installed on the second partition. The third partition is my linux swap partition, and finally I have my linux native partition on the remainder of the drive. All of this is below 1024 cylinders, as LILO requires, but then I try to boot with Linux (SUSE), I get stuck at the L (in LILO). Now, I have no problems with Redhat with the same configuration, but with SUSE I have to use a boot disk to load. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com [mailto:owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com]On > Behalf Of Ken Schuller > Sent: Friday, June 26, 1998 5:19 PM > To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse > > > > Joseph Beaman wrote: > > SUSE > > is more readily configurable in terms of its Windows Managers, etc, but > > RedHat seems to have fewer difficulties coexisting with other operating > > systems (like Win95 or WinNT). > > Care to elaborate? I haven't had any difficulties at all- I'm curious > about what you're referring to. > > Ken > -- > > Ken Schuller > > Network Systems Specialist > > NovaNET Learning, Inc. > > Take out the spam foil to reply via e-mail. > > Incidentally, I speak for me. That's all. No one else. > > Linux- the best things in life are free! (Or at least GPL'ed...) > - > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============7369037783970591208==-- From fmiller@lightlink.com Sun Jun 28 05:26:07 1998 From: fmiller@lightlink.com To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 01:26:07 -0400 Message-ID: <3595D3EE.2E7660A5@lightlink.com> In-Reply-To: <3594A6DB.571508E3@virgin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0732323675869594501==" --===============0732323675869594501== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian Jones wrote: > > Just some personal opinions. > > I have just moved to SuSE 5.2 from RH 5.0. I like both distributions for > different reasons: I guess it depends on your hardware options but I > believe that it would be easier for a newcomer to install RH than SuSE > because the installation process is more linear. SuSE puts you more in > control but requires that you know just a little about what is > happening. The tradeoff, of course, is that any post install tweaks are > very much easier in SuSE. We should be thankful that we can buy > distributions from competitors and move our software between them with > such ease. > > My philosophy on buying Linux stuff is to get it from the people with > the right attitude. I switched to SuSE because of their support for KDE. > I believe this has the potential to tempt people across the divide. KDE > always looks crisp, clean and professional, and then once you use it you > find that it is very well integrated. RH are also to be commended on > their adoption of glibc but seem to have got stung for burning CDs a bit > hastily. They are commercial and will no doubt learn from this. > > When I apply this to office suites I find myself using StarOffice. It > has glitches but these are being ironed out rapidly and the company, > again, has the right attitude - it acknowledges the help it gets from > the Linux community & rewards us (yes, I realise there is cunning > marketing in there as well). > > Finally, there has been a lot of talk about the added value of > purchasing a distribution. I view the extra cost as a subsidy to > SuSE/RH/etc. that allows them to polish the product for more general > consumption. If I get some tech. support then great, if I get a nice > book then great again. Despite it being "free" I will probably spend > more money on Linux than I would on Windows but then Linux is nice > enough to make a hobby out of. That's "where I'm at," also Brian. I just bought a copy of StarOffice from StarOffice....not cheap, although less than anything from MickySoft. I haven't installed SO yet because it won't install off the CD without the CD drive being executable. I tried putting "exec" in the fstab file, but it still doesn't work. Startup comes up but the startup.bin dies. 'Guess I'll have to call SO on Monday and raise "hob." Fred -- Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator Cornell Univ. Press Services fmiller(a)lightlink.com fm(a)cupserv.org - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============0732323675869594501==-- From ke@suse.de Sun Jun 28 07:29:02 1998 From: ke@suse.de To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 09:29:02 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3594A6DB.571508E3@virgin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0906547931279238373==" --===============0906547931279238373== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Brian and all of you, I like to read your "thinking about suse" -- I guess we'll profit from it. Brian Jones writes: | [...] I guess it depends on your hardware options but I believe that | it would be easier for a newcomer to install RH than SuSE because | the installation process is more linear. Yes, that's a right observation. But with the forthcoming 5.3 we can offer a linear installation process, too ;) Of course, the old way will be provided as well; the old way will be labeled "expert mode". Karl --=20 Karl Eichwalder S.u.S.E. GmbH Fax +49-911-3206727 ke(a)suse.de Gebhardtstrasse 2 Mo & Th 13:00-18:00: http://www.s= use.de> 90762 Fuerth, Germany Hotline +49-911-3247130 - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============0906547931279238373==-- From gordster@juno.com Sun Jun 28 12:12:58 1998 From: gordster@juno.com To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:12:58 -0400 Message-ID: <19980628.065741.2063.0.gordster@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <000101bda1e5$6ecc2fe0$44920018@cx814254-a.dt1.sdca.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0253925770795532319==" --===============0253925770795532319== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -snip- =20 >and SUSE. You'll need Partition Magic. If you don't have version=20 >3.05, >download the upgrade from their web site (it's free): >http://www.powerquest.com>. > >Use Partition Magic to setup your drive(s) as follows: >|Boot Manager | Linux root / | Win95 | Logical drives | nippety,snip,snip Alan- I appreciate your analysis of the proper setup with W95, and=20 I'm saving it for reference. However, you (and other hopefuls)=20 should be aware that only the upgrade (patches) are available=20 for PQ/PM on their web site; and they are only good for the=20 basic level that you already have: i.e. I have version 2.03, but=20 I cannot patch up to any level 3.xx, etc, [much as I would love to=20 be able to do that. Gordy Heitzman gordster(a)juno.com =20 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com> Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============0253925770795532319==-- From misc.word.corp@pobox.com Sun Jun 28 16:23:21 1998 From: misc.word.corp@pobox.com To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:23:21 -0400 Message-ID: <35966DF9.42E934F7@pobox.com> In-Reply-To: <19980628.065741.2063.0.gordster@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0994467652101715640==" --===============0994467652101715640== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If we judge the S.u.S.E. manual on the basis of "standard" (read: British/American) English, it make come up wanting in the grammatical department, but S.u.S.E. is a continental-European distro (and is very popular over there, as we know). Among non-British or non-American users of English, clarity counts more than adherence to "correct" British or American-English grammar. S.u.S.E.'s manual goes the extra step, however. Its writers have a humorous and light-hearted approach to Linux -- and their enthusiasm springs from the page. You can see that the S.u.S.E. staff think Linux is great fun, and this ingredient -- fun -- is what's sorely lacking from M---S---T products. The manual is also complete on other topics not covered by the manuals of other distros, such as emulators, LaTeX, window managers, and the like. You gotta love it. -- Glenn -- - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============0994467652101715640==-- From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Sun Jun 28 16:36:34 1998 From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:36:34 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <35966DF9.42E934F7@pobox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5305590601935726191==" --===============5305590601935726191== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Completely agree! On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, misc.word.corp wrote: >=20 > If we judge the S.u.S.E. manual on the basis of "standard" (read: > British/American) English, it make come up wanting in the grammatical > department, but S.u.S.E. is a continental-European distro (and is very > popular over there, as we know). Among non-British or non-American users > of English, clarity counts more than adherence to "correct" British or > American-English grammar. >=20 > S.u.S.E.'s manual goes the extra step, however. Its writers have a > humorous and light-hearted approach to Linux -- and their enthusiasm > springs from the page. You can see that the S.u.S.E. staff think Linux > is great fun, and this ingredient -- fun -- is what's sorely lacking > from M---S---T products.=20 >=20 > The manual is also complete on other topics not covered by the manuals > of other distros, such as emulators, LaTeX, window managers, and the > like. You gotta love it. >=20 > -- Glenn -- > - > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e >=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ C. J. Tan E-mail: cjtan(a)acm.org Telephone: 1-403-220-8038=20 tanc(a)cuug.ab.ca 1-403-606-4257=20 URL: http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~tanc> Facsimile: 1-403-284-19= 80 "An engineer made programmer is one=20 who attempts to solve a problem, A programmer made engineer is one=20 who knows how to solve a problem." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============5305590601935726191==-- From bb@suse.com Mon Jun 29 20:13:26 1998 From: bb@suse.com To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:13:26 -0700 Message-ID: <3597F566.8C2CB544@suse.com> In-Reply-To: <000401bda165$a90be5e0$0100a8c0@starfleet.pacbell.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4902576076529164885==" --===============4902576076529164885== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joseph Beaman wrote: >=20 > Sure, >=20 > I have windows 95 installed on the first partition of my hard drive. I am > using partition magic 3.0, and it's boot manager is installed on the second > partition. The third partition is my linux swap partition, and finally I > have my linux native partition on the remainder of the drive. All of this > is below 1024 cylinders, as LILO requires, but then I try to boot with Linux > (SUSE), I get stuck at the L (in LILO). Now, I have no problems with Redhat > with the same configuration, but with SUSE I have to use a boot disk to > load. Remove the 'linear' flag in the LILO configuration (either with YaST, or in /etc/lilo.conf) and try again... Ciao, BB --=20 Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873=20 bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 http://www= .suse.com> Oakland CA, 94610 USA - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============4902576076529164885==--