On Wednesday 17 January 2007 21:05, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

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Beagled seems to be constantly hogging one CPU (in 10.2) once you leave system to idle. Any way to limit this? Uninstalling this is probably not an option anymore as SUSE has built a dependency net around this.

What dependency?

Precisely that. I'd prefer to get it going.. -- // Janne -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 17 January 2007 22:00, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

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What dependency?

Precisely that. I'd prefer to get it going..

Hm? I just confirmed on a fresh install.

Ok, but like it or not, beagle is probably not going away any day soon. So, I'd still prefer to just get it going. That, and by accident it also manages to be helpful from time to time ( but definitely not worth the power it's eating :). New KDE menu for one is utterly worthless without it. That said, weirdest thing just happened. KDM just died and won't come back (gdm etc work ok). Log shows the usual informative piece; Backtrace: 0: /usr/bin/Xorg(xf86SigHandler+0x6d) [0x4889cd] 1: /lib64/libc.so.6 [0x2b54aaf185b0] Fatal server error: Caught signal 11. Server aborting Oh man. Would be nice for these things to just work once in a while :/ -- // Janne -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 1/18/07, Stephan Binner wrote:

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New KDE menu for one is utterly worthless without it.

Not exactly true: application, bookmark and addressbook search for example will also continue to work without kdebase3-beagle being installed...

Ok thanks for clarification, I thought it was based on beagle. Does it use beagle for anything? -- // Janne -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday, 18. January 2007 10:36:30 Janne Karhunen wrote:

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will also continue to work without kdebase3-beagle being installed...

Ok thanks for clarification, I thought it was based on beagle. Does it use beagle for anything?

Would the package exist otherwise? :-) The Beagle plugin enriches the search results with more sources (eg web history) and file search (also content).

Bye, Steve I am curious: just what does beagle do while working? What do all these fancy

On Thursday 18 January 2007 01:10, Stephan Binner wrote: programs do with cpu time? I remember running FEA on a 386 desktop computer back in the late 80's. Running a 5000 element model would start on Friday afternoon and hopefully it would complete by Monday morning. Opening up wordstar or multimate document would take about 5-15 seconds. Today the same FEA progam is completed in less than a minute and that is indicative of the power of modern computers. But why does it take 10, 20, 30 seconds or even minutes to open up just a blank open document? Why does ittake minutes to "find" a file in konqueror? where does all the computer power go in today's software like 10.2? Is it just an endless parade of recursive scripts calling other scripts recursively? Is real programming dead? dimitris. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday January 17 2007 2:07 pm, Janne Karhunen wrote:

On Wednesday 17 January 2007 21:05, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

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Beagled seems to be constantly hogging one CPU (in 10.2) once you leave system to idle. Any way to limit this? Uninstalling this is probably not an option anymore as SUSE has built a dependency net around this.

What dependency?

Precisely that. I'd prefer to get it going..

Install locate.....it's a UNIX util. available from several of the servers. It runs from commandline, but quick and VERY usefull. Beagle isn't ready for prime time yet. Fred -- MickySoft, the ultimate corporate parasite. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday January 17 2007 6:41 pm, Robert Lewis wrote:

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Install locate.....it's a UNIX util. available from several of the servers. It runs from commandline, but quick and VERY usefull. Beagle isn't ready for prime time yet.

Fred  

I like locate and have been using it for years.  It's an RPM installable off the installation media.  I think you have to turn it on after installation through YaST services.

No......once installed, open a konsole, su or sux to root, then run "updatedb" Once done, then locate works fine. Fred -- MickySoft, the ultimate corporate parasite. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday January 17 2007 11:52 pm, Benjamin Rosenberg wrote:

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No......once installed, open a konsole, su or sux to root, then run   "updatedb" Once done, then locate works fine.

And after this it will be updated via a cronjob each night or  

Yep......runs via cron.

whenever the cron is set to run .. I forget when that is as I've had   the same modified crontab for quite awhile now because I disable a   lot of SUSE crons that are installed off the DVD.

'Same here, but I do want that to run. MOST of the searching I need is file names, not content so locate works just fine for me. Fred -- MickySoft, the ultimate corporate parasite. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 17 January 2007 15:50, Randall R Schulz wrote: <snippage>

Look at a PDF file once, there's so much extraneous formatting information interleaved with the text that only rarely would grep or other textual search find what you're looking for. The same goes for PostScript, Word and almost any word-processing or document distribution format.

There are alternatives to Beagle, but I'm not sure they're any more "ready for prime-time" than Beagle is.

Yeah, I agree. Plus locate is - gulp - command line and you need a college degree to understand the regex operations in grep. I personally euthanized the darn dog on all my machines and use a logical folder structure to find things. My machines work way faster. -- kai - theperfectreign@yahoo.com www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com www.filesite.org || www.donutmonster.com wo ist der ort für den ehrlichsten kuss ich weiss, dass ich ihn für uns finden muss... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 17 January 2007 18:51, Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Wednesday 17 January 2007 18:35, Kai Ponte wrote:

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On Wednesday 17 January 2007 15:50, Randall R Schulz wrote: ...

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There are alternatives to Beagle, but I'm not sure they're any more "ready for prime-time" than Beagle is.

Yeah, I agree.

Plus locate is - gulp - command line and you need a college degree to understand the regex operations in grep.

Nah. Regular expressions are the bee's knees!

Without regular expressions, programming / computers / digital life _itself_ would be impossible!!

Or... Live by the regular expression, die by the regular expression.

I could go on, but ... you know...

I dunno. Never was able to get the hang of regular expressions. I've been trying to for over twenty years of programming and still haven't. I officially gave up a year or two ago. Besides, I'm a manager now and don't have to actually think anymore. :P

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I personally euthanized the darn dog on all my machines and use a logical folder structure to find things.

Well, that's great, if you can get away with it, but my library has thousands of files and no single hierarchical organizational scheme is adequate. The problem is that hierarchies are entirely indadequate for organizing most content, since there's always multiple hierarchies that validly categorize it.

I can't really describe how I do it, because it only makes sense to me, but I just did a count with KDirstat. According to that I have 83,662 files in my /home/kai folder on my laptop and 72,361 on my main desktop. Now, that includes those .hidden folders, so the actual number of files I need to take care of should be less, but I'm sure not TOO much less.

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My machines work way faster.

Faster than what?

Faster than a machine running with BeagleD slowing it down. :) -- kai - theperfectreign@yahoo.com www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com www.filesite.org || www.donutmonster.com friends don't let friends use windows -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 18 January 2007 14:00, Fred A. Miller wrote:

On Thursday January 18 2007 1:23 am, Kai Ponte wrote:

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I officially gave up a year or two ago. Besides, I'm a manager now and don't have to actually think anymore.  :P

I'm going to be good and not take advantage of that. :)

Why not? My staff does all the time! Interesting article on beagled versus the java thingy and the other contenders. I wonder how indexing in Vista and/or Macintosh will compare. Will people find high CPU usage? -- kai - theperfectreign@yahoo.com www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com www.filesite.org || www.donutmonster.com wo ist der ort für den ehrlichsten kuss ich weiss, dass ich ihn für uns finden muss... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Look at a PDF file once, there's so much extraneous formatting information interleaved with the text that only rarely would grep or other textual search find what you're looking for. The same goes for PostScript, Word and almost any word-processing or document distribution format.

There are alternatives to Beagle, but I'm not sure they're any more "ready for prime-time" than Beagle is.

Yeah, I agree.

Plus locate is - gulp - command line and you need a college degree to understand the regex operations in grep.

I personally euthanized the darn dog on all my machines and use a logical folder structure to find things.

Over the years, people have managed to keep their files together. UNIX: ~, as always. DOS: Dedicated folder on C:, or another drive. Win 4.x-6.x: My Documents. Why would we suddenly need search engines. People unable to label their files properly (putting them into the right-named directory as a bonus) are a lost case like their files. -`J' -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 18 January 2007 02:28, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

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Over the years, people have managed to keep their files together. UNIX: ~, as always. DOS: Dedicated folder on C:, or another drive. Win 4.x-6.x: My Documents. Why would we suddenly need search engines?

Because now we have multi-hundred-gigabyte mass storage and that was not true even five years ago.

People unable to label their files properly (putting them into the right-named directory as a bonus) are a lost case like their files.

If you have a large library of publications, media, etc. then manual organization is impractical at best and impossible in general (owing to the fact that no single hierarchy adequately captures all required organizational schemes). File names are often poor indicators of what a file contains. For example, files retrieved from the ACM digital library have names that start with the primary author's surname followed by the starting page number of the article within the print publication in which it originally appeared. (With a ".pdf" suffix, of course.) Files retrieved from CiteSeer follow no naming convention at all and simply reflect what their author called them on the computer where the paper was prepared, and often the name does not hint at either the author or the subject of the paper. Content-based access is sorely needed in today's computers.

-`J'

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