On Friday 29 October 2004 12:01 pm, Dennis J. Tuchler wrote:

On Friday 29 October 2004 10:48, Georgi Ivanov wrote:

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Hello, What is the difference between Suse Personal and Suse Pro ? Are there development tools in personal edition ?

Longer period for installation assistance from SuSE More applications A very good manual (which is missing from the upgrade version of SuSE 9.2 Pro) A warm feeling that you have put more money into the hands of a Linux-helper

dj tuchler ==========

Along with all those Dennis mentions, with Pro you get all the development software as well as the sources. Personal doesn't give you that stuff. Personal is meant for the über low end user/beginner. :o) Lee

* Fred Miller <fmiller@lightlink.com> [10-29-04 11:27]:

Further, we've been "given the word" here from a SUSE employee that there WON'T be a Personal 9.2 release. Personally, no pun intended of course, I think that's a good thing, based on all the traffic here we had with Personal 9.1.

true, but you didn't read the email I rec'd from suse-announce-usa and bounced to you: From: Christian Egle <Christian.Egle@novell.com> Organization: SUSE LINUX, Nuernberg Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:23:19 +0200 To: suse-announce-usa@suse.com Dear SUSE LINUX customers and friends, SUSE LINUX 9.2 is out now. It combines a fast, secure operating system and more than 1,000 popular open source applications. It is the first complete Linux package to harness both the improved Linux kernel 2.6 and the recently enhanced GNOME 2.6 and KDE 3.3 user desktop environments. Ideal for Linux enthusiasts and developers, SUSE LINUX Professional 9.2 improves support for mobile users and delivers a host of essential tools. SUSE LINUX Professional 9.2 includes several new key features: * Powerful operating system built on Linux kernel 2.6.8 * Enhanced mobility with WLAN and Bluetooth support * Applications for enhanced productivity, collaboration, connectivity and development * Easy-to-use desktop interfaces: KDE 3.3 and GNOME 2.6 Check out for further information at http://www.suse.com/us/private/products/suse_linux/prof/ The recommended retail price of SUSE LINUX Professional 9.2 (five CDs, two DVDs, user guide and administration guide, 90 days of installation support) is $89.95. The update edition of SUSE LINUX Professional 9.2 is $59.95. You can purchase your copy from our on-line store: http://shop.suse.com/suse You can also find our software at a local store near you: Amazon.com, Best Buy, CompUSA, Fry's Electronics. Linuxcentral.com, FutureShop.ca and more... http://www.suse.com/us/company/suse/retailers/index.html For worldwide resellers near you: http://www.suse.com/en/company/resellers/index.html Your SUSE LINUX Team -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

On Sunday 31 Oct 2004 15:47, Regis FLORET wrote:

On Friday 29 October 2004 17:48, Georgi Ivanov wrote:

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Hello, What is the difference between Suse Personal and Suse Pro ? Are there development tools in personal edition ?

I'm really disappointed with the 9.1 personal. No developpement tools, no gnome desktop. 9.1 personal is a small Office box.

I'm so disappointed I don't think to be SuSE user anymore.

-- Regis FLORET

If you were to read things properley you would have seen before you purchased the personal version that it lacked the devlopment tools ect and you would than have purchased the professional version .. That is why now the only version of 9.2 is the FULL professional version dev tools the lot .. read fiets then purchase.. -- Linux user No: 256242 Machine No: 139931 G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan, The time is here to FORGET that M$ Corp ever existed the world does not NEED M$ Corp the world has NO USE for M$ Corp it is time to END M$ Corp , Play time is over folks time for action approaches at an alarming pace the death knell for M$ Copr has been sounded . Termination time is around the corner ..

On Sunday 31 October 2004 16:47, Regis FLORET wrote:

On Friday 29 October 2004 17:48, Georgi Ivanov wrote:

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Hello, What is the difference between Suse Personal and Suse Pro ? Are there development tools in personal edition ?

I'm really disappointed with the 9.1 personal. No developpement tools, no gnome desktop. 9.1 personal is a small Office box.

Strange. The file list could be found on the website. So it was pretty easy to find out that it didn't have the tools that you needed. The difference in the pro and personal editions has been basically the same since SUSE started selling them this way. That was somewhere back in the 8.x days.

I'm so disappointed I don't think to be SuSE user anymore.

I don't think disappointed is the right word. I'd say more along the lines of dissatisfied because you didn't get more bang for your buck. You expected to have everything in the pro version for the personal price. Mike -- Powered by SuSE 9.1 Kernel 2.6.4 KDE 3.2.1 Kmail 1.6.2 For SuSE Mondo/Mindi backup support go to http://www.mikenjane.net/~mike 2:07pm up 1 day 18:38, 3 users, load average: 2.14, 2.19, 2.25

*** Reply to message from Regis FLORET <r.floret@laposte.net> on Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:47:28 +0200***

I'm really disappointed with the 9.1 personal. No developpement tools, no gnome desktop. 9.1 personal is a small Office box.

I'm so disappointed I don't think to be SuSE user anymore.

I am sorry you are dissapointed w/ it, but a question here would have let you know there are no devlopment tools in the personal edition. They were trying to make it eassy for home /new users.. and it says on the box and on the web site that it doesn't contain that stuff... you could have got an upgrade for only slightly more money, and then you would have more things than you can think of... everything from ham radio to make you own gui... and more. 9.1 personal was never intended for Small office or any office, any more than Windows expects most of its users to have a small office setup. That is why they charge you the extra $300-400(??) I forget , and you want to do development... lessee, there's all stuff I see in boxes that isn't free.. those things are in the Pro box. And w/ a little effort you could have downloaded and installed all that stuff for free , even for teh personal edition. -- j -- nemo me impune lacessit

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:47:28 +0200, you wrote:

On Friday 29 October 2004 17:48, Georgi Ivanov wrote:

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Hello, What is the difference between Suse Personal and Suse Pro ? Are there development tools in personal edition ?

I'm really disappointed with the 9.1 personal. No developpement tools, no gnome desktop. 9.1 personal is a small Office box.

I'm so disappointed I don't think to be SuSE user anymore.

-- Regis FLORET

GOOD! One less person who can't read, whining about "I can't find the C compiler!". I think SuSE made a terrible mistake offering the personal version. No one interested in actually USING linux could use it, because it was missing too much. All that happened was the level of morons who didn't read the description of what it did and did not contain went up. Mike- -- If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs... You may have a great career as a network administrator ahead! -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments,

On Monday, 1 November 2004 17.37, Ken Schneider wrote:

I do agree that personal version was a mistake which is probably why it has been dropped in 9.2.

The original reason for the "personal" edition was that there were masses of complaints about the sheer volume of software in suse, that it was frightening the new users. So the personal was supposed to be this "desktop ready" version, with the best-of-breed software, and not two dozen text editors, 7 email clients and whatever else we get in the pro version. In short, a version for people who had never seen linux before, and who wouldn't know what a compiler was if it jumped up and hit them in the face I still think it's a worthwhile goal to aim for. It may not have been done in the best possible way, but the problem that "personal" hoped to solve is still there

Bob S, Good to hear you're supporting SUSE by buying Personal. Me:Currently waiting for courier delivery of 9.2 Upgrade. regards, martin On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:30:58 +0000, Terence McCarthy <tjmc@torhouse.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:

On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 11:37:45 -0500 Ken Schneider <suse-list-e@bout-tyme.net> wrote:

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Now now Mike, lets not call these people morons, they are just to lazy to read the info on the site that says these tools are not included.

I do agree that personal version was a mistake which is probably why it has been dropped in 9.2.

Actually, Ken, the mistake was to assume that those sufficiently aware of the computing world to choose Linux (and on this list especially, those choosing our favourite distro) would also be intelligent enough and sufficiently aware to tell the difference.

Even a moron should be able to understand that a product marked "Personal" and priced at 50 units may not be identical to that product named "Professional" and priced at 100 units! Those that can't are obviously several bits short of a byte.

Clearly, this was a mistaken assumption, and removing the cause of whinging does two things: it simplifies marketing, and removes those who whinge that they've bought the cheap version and it doesn't have the expensive (used comparatively- check M$ prices) version's bells and whistles.

Good for SuSE. My 9.2 PROFESSIONAL is on order!

Terence

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On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 10:28:47PM -0500, Bob S wrote:

On Monday 01 November 2004 11:37, Ken Schneider wrote:

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On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 11:22, Michael W Cocke wrote:

.......<snip all of the other garbage>............

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Now now Mike, lets not call these people morons, they are just to lazy to read the info on the site that says these tools are not included.

OK guys, I take great umbrage to both the "morons" and "lazy" remarks. There may be other reasons you know, like trying out a distro and PRICE.

Of course, the remarks are not necessarily aimed at you. The way I see it, they were aimed at people who buy the personal edition *and then complain that it doesn't have the stuff that they assumed that it would*. I don't think that there's a problem with people who buy it, and are happy with the contents. -- David Smith Work Email: Dave.Smith@st.com STMicroelectronics Home Email: David.Smith@ds-electronics.co.uk Bristol, England GPG Key: 0xF13192F2

El Lun 01 Nov 2004 10:22, Michael W Cocke escribió: (...)

I think SuSE made a terrible mistake offering the personal version. No one interested in actually USING linux could use it, because it was missing too much. All that happened was the level of morons who didn't read the description of what it did and did not contain went up.

Mike-

(...) When I first started using SuSE, I bought SuSE 7.2 Personal, and it had all the development tools I needed, including mysql-devel and wxGTK. Why did SuSE changed it's policy for later releases, I don't know. Regards. -- Alfredo J. Cole Grupo ACyC www.acyc.com - www.clshonduras.com - SolCom - www.acycdomains.com

tisdag 02 november 2004 12:46 skrev Regis FLORET:

I think so. I downloaded 350 Mo with a 56k line to get an usable linux workstation.

Lot of people, that use computers, never use the Development tools. These tools just take up space, and why not offer a distribution that excludes these, for the parties in question, for a few bucks less.

On Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 09:38:12AM -0500, James Knott wrote:

Örn Hansen wrote:

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Lot of people, that use computers, never use the Development tools. These tools just take up space, and why not offer a distribution that excludes these, for the parties in question, for a few bucks less.

IIRC, many of those packages on Pro, are optional. They don't get installed, if you don't select them. So, those packages are only using space on the CDs or DVD.

It's not the cost of the CD/DVD media that they are saving - it's the cost of building all the packages, making sure they interoperate correctly, writing the documentation, etc. -- David Smith Work Email: Dave.Smith@st.com STMicroelectronics Home Email: David.Smith@ds-electronics.co.uk Bristol, England GPG Key: 0xF13192F2