Hi everyone. I have been away from the list for six weeks now and was wondering about SuSE 7.0. i have xfstt running on 6.4 at the moment and am worried that Xfree 4.0 with xfsft may mess things up. Any clues anyone? Oh, and which version do I get? the 3 CD's or the 6CD's. thanks, Steve. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Hi, On Tue, Aug 15 2000 at 16:58 +0200, S@hrz.tu-chemnitz.de wrote:
I have been away from the list for six weeks now and was wondering about SuSE 7.0. i have xfstt running on 6.4 at the moment and am worried that Xfree 4.0 with xfsft may mess things up. Any clues anyone? Oh, and which version do I get? the 3 CD's or the 6CD's.
XFree 4.0 supports true type fonts out of the box, so you don't need xfstt anymore. Wheater you get three or six CD's depends on what package you buy (Personal: 3 CD's, Professional and Update: 6 CD's + 1 DVD). Ciao, Stefan -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Hi, so I do I have to remove loading xfstt from my boot.local file or will the SuSE rpm's do it for me when they install Xfree4.0? Thanks, Steve. On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, you wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Aug 15 2000 at 16:58 +0200, S@hrz.tu-chemnitz.de wrote:
I have been away from the list for six weeks now and was wondering about SuSE 7.0. i have xfstt running on 6.4 at the moment and am worried that Xfree 4.0 with xfsft may mess things up. Any clues anyone? Oh, and which version do I get? the 3 CD's or the 6CD's.
XFree 4.0 supports true type fonts out of the box, so you don't need xfstt anymore. Wheater you get three or six CD's depends on what package you buy (Personal: 3 CD's, Professional and Update: 6 CD's + 1 DVD).
Ciao, Stefan
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Hi, so I do I have to remove loading xfstt from my boot.local file or will the SuSE rpm's do it for me when they install Xfree4.0?
Thanks, Steve.
Good question. I think boot.local is not affected by the update. Xfree 4.0 uses xfsft as far as I read, in what case you'd be starting another server on the same port. There won't be much lost if you: - disable xfstt - update - find out how to add fonts - run X (I wouldn't rely on TTF's only in that case) - fiddle around as usual after an update. Note: keep a note of your new selftought curses, they come in handy at times. I always learn a few new on updates. ;-) Juergen -- =========================================== __ _ Juergen Braukmann juergen.braukmann@gmx.de| -o)/ / (_)__ __ ____ __ Tel: 0201-743648 dk4jb@db0qs.#nrw.deu.eu | /\\ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / ===========================================_\_v __/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Hi Juergen, hi everyone. Or maybe even simpler: Stay with xfstt and just use the server bit of Xfree4.0 instead? Will xfstt still work under 4.0 or must I use their xfsft server instead. teve. On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, you wrote:
S@mail.kdt.de, C & C wrote:
Hi, so I do I have to remove loading xfstt from my boot.local file or will the SuSE rpm's do it for me when they install Xfree4.0?
Thanks, Steve.
Good question. I think boot.local is not affected by the update. Xfree 4.0 uses xfsft as far as I read, in what case you'd be starting another server on the same port. There won't be much lost if you: - disable xfstt - update - find out how to add fonts - run X (I wouldn't rely on TTF's only in that case) - fiddle around as usual after an update. Note: keep a note of your new selftought curses, they come in handy at times. I always learn a few new on updates. ;-)
Juergen
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SCC wrote:
Hi Juergen, hi everyone.
Or maybe even simpler: Stay with xfstt and just use the server bit of Xfree4.0 instead? Will xfstt still work under 4.0 or must I use their xfsft server instead.
steve.
Well, I think so, unless something dramatically changed in Xfree4.0. xfstt and xfsft are services that can be and are accessed via tcp ports. It might be sensible to have a "corporate font server", running on i.e. 10.1.1.1, port <whatever>. All machines can access it, no individual install needed. I could add TTF's to the font list of my IRIX box that way. Working on that theory, you can run xfstt, xfsft or even both (on different ports). The sensible thing about xfsft is, that it will serve *all* fonts, wereas xfstt will only serve TTF's. Xfree 3.?.? didn't need a font server, it could use one. There was xfs, but that one was limited to non TTF fonts. Juergen
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S@mail.kdt.de, C & C wrote:
Hi, so I do I have to remove loading xfstt from my boot.local file or will the SuSE rpm's do it for me when they install Xfree4.0?
Thanks, Steve.
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Greetings! I generally keep my linux server and windows workstation relatively the same in terms of CPU and motherboards. I just recently upgraded my Windows machine from a K6-2 450MHz to a P3 550MHz, and just recently sold the K6-233 system that was my Linux server. (My data hard drive is running on the gateway linux machine.) I'm seriously thinking about getting a 810/815 chipset motherboard since the video and audio is built-in. I been using SuSE 6.3 for the last several months, but will probably use SuSE 7.0 on the new machine. I normally telnet 90% of the time into this particular machine and use the video/audio only when necessary. Can I expect support out of the box for the 810/815 chipset? Or, are there problems I should be aware of? Thanks! Christopher Reimer -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Hi, On Tue, Aug 15 2000 at 19:49 +0200, S@hrz.tu-chemnitz.de wrote:
Hi, so I do I have to remove loading xfstt from my boot.local file or will the SuSE rpm's do it for me when they install Xfree4.0?
No, how would it know that you use xfstt? You'll have to remove it yourself. Ciao, Stefan -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Thoughts on LinuxWord: * SuSE's movie was pretty awful. * The SuSE 7 demo almost made up for the movie - SuSE's new Yast 2 should make it one of the easiest distros to install and configure - very nice! * Sun, HP, Compaq, Dell, et al announced support for the GNOME desktop at the show - Miguel's Helix Evolution looks like a very useful email client - GNOME Office will consist of Sun StarOffice+Evolution email - it seems likely that Sun and others will adopt GNOME office once Evolution is solid - How does all this impact SuSE and its KDE support? // I think GNOME's move to leapfrog KDE Office by adopting many parts of StarOffice was a smart move. StarOffice needs only a little work on import and export of file formats to be a competitive alternative to MS Office. Helix Evolution and an eventual calendar tool of similar design, far exceed MS Office capability. I am thinking about trying GNOME again. Comments? Ed Scott ed.scott@jpl.nasa.gov -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 09:38:44AM -0700, Ed Scott wrote:
Thoughts on LinuxWord: * SuSE's movie was pretty awful. * The SuSE 7 demo almost made up for the movie - SuSE's new Yast 2 should make it one of the easiest distros to install and configure - very nice! * Sun, HP, Compaq, Dell, et al announced support for the GNOME desktop at the show - Miguel's Helix Evolution looks like a very useful email client - GNOME Office will consist of Sun StarOffice+Evolution email - it seems likely that Sun and others will adopt GNOME office once Evolution is solid - How does all this impact SuSE and its KDE support?
// I think GNOME's move to leapfrog KDE Office by adopting many parts of StarOffice was a smart move. StarOffice needs only a little work on import and export of file formats to be a competitive alternative to MS Office. Helix Evolution and an eventual calendar tool of similar design, far exceed MS Office capability. I am thinking about trying GNOME again. Comments?
Since I have little occasion to use a WP like xwp or SOffice, it makes little difference to me as a technical user. But I _would_ like to know how to fetch and install the very latest GNOME tools. Can this be accomplished in SuSE with few commands? Since both KDE and GNOME change virtually hourly, what I have is probably overdue for an up-rev. Also, will the latest GNOME even run on 6.4 (2.2.16 kernel)? gary -- Gary D. Kline kline@tao.thought.org Public service Unix -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Gary Kline wrote:
it makes little difference to me as a technical user. But I _would_ like to know how to fetch and install the very latest GNOME tools. Can this be accomplished in SuSE with few commands? Since both KDE and GNOME change virtually hourly, what I have is probably overdue for an up-rev.
Also, will the latest GNOME even run on 6.4 (2.2.16 kernel)?
Why on earth would it not run??? -- Michael Hasenstein http://www.suse.de/~mha/ SuSE Linux AG, Nuernberg (Germany) SuSE Inc., Oakland, California (US) -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 11:00:05AM -0700, Michael Hasenstein wrote:
Gary Kline wrote:
it makes little difference to me as a technical user. But I _would_ like to know how to fetch and install the very latest GNOME tools. Can this be accomplished in SuSE with few commands? Since both KDE and GNOME change virtually hourly, what I have is probably overdue for an up-rev.
Also, will the latest GNOME even run on 6.4 (2.2.16 kernel)?
Why on earth would it not run???
I asked because on <some> free Unices, newer apps, especially X, won't run under the older versions..... If SuSE is different, outstanding. -- Gary D. Kline kline@tao.thought.org Public service Unix -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Gary Kline wrote:
Also, will the latest GNOME even run on 6.4 (2.2.16 kernel)?
Why on earth would it not run???
I asked because on <some> free Unices, newer apps, especially X, won't run under the older versions..... If SuSE is different, outstanding.
You asked about the kernel, and that's the part that has next to nothing to do with running Gnome... Gnome is just an X application. -- Michael Hasenstein http://www.suse.de/~mha/ SuSE Linux AG, Nuernberg (Germany) SuSE Inc., Oakland, California (US) -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Hi Gary! On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Gary Kline wrote:
On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 09:38:44AM -0700, Ed Scott wrote:
Thoughts on LinuxWord: * SuSE's movie was pretty awful. * The SuSE 7 demo almost made up for the movie - SuSE's new Yast 2 should make it one of the easiest distros to install and configure - very nice! * Sun, HP, Compaq, Dell, et al announced support for the GNOME desktop at the show - Miguel's Helix Evolution looks like a very useful email client - GNOME Office will consist of Sun StarOffice+Evolution email - it seems likely that Sun and others will adopt GNOME office once Evolution is solid - How does all this impact SuSE and its KDE support?
// I think GNOME's move to leapfrog KDE Office by adopting many parts of StarOffice was a smart move. StarOffice needs only a little work on import and export of file formats to be a competitive alternative to MS Office. Helix Evolution and an eventual calendar tool of similar design, far exceed MS Office capability. I am thinking about trying GNOME again. Comments?
Since I have little occasion to use a WP like xwp or SOffice, it makes little difference to me as a technical user. But I _would_ like to know how to fetch and install the very latest GNOME tools. Can this be accomplished in SuSE with few commands? Since both KDE and GNOME change virtually hourly, what I have is probably overdue for an up-rev.
Also, will the latest GNOME even run on 6.4 (2.2.16 kernel)?
Of course it will. You can go here to get it.
http://www.gnome.org/start/
Log into X as root and type this in a terminal.
lynx -source http://go-gnome.com/ | sh
It's very nice. I didn't like Gnome as much as KDE until I saw the new one.
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B. L. Jilek
Yes, it runs quite nicely. You can also go to www.helixcode.com and
pick up the installer.
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-->Of course it will. You can go here to get it.
-->http://www.gnome.org/start/
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-->Log into X as root and type this in a terminal.
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-->It's very nice. I didn't like Gnome as much as KDE until I saw the new one.
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-->B. L. Jilek
On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 03:54:24PM -0700, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
Yes, it runs quite nicely. You can also go to www.helixcode.com and pick up the installer.
-->> Also, will the latest GNOME even run on 6.4 (2.2.16 kernel)? -->> --> -->Of course it will. You can go here to get it. -->http://www.gnome.org/start/ --> -->Log into X as root and type this in a terminal. -->lynx -source http://go-gnome.com/ | sh --> -->It's very nice. I didn't like Gnome as much as KDE until I saw the new one.
Thanks, gentlemen. gary -- Gary D. Kline kline@tao.thought.org Public service Unix -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Ed Scott wrote:
Thoughts on LinuxWord: * SuSE's movie was pretty awful. * The SuSE 7 demo almost made up for the movie - SuSE's new Yast 2 should make it one of the easiest distros to install and configure - very nice! * Sun, HP, Compaq, Dell, et al announced support for the GNOME desktop at the show - Miguel's Helix Evolution looks like a very useful email client - GNOME Office will consist of Sun StarOffice+Evolution email - it seems likely that Sun and others will adopt GNOME office once Evolution is solid - How does all this impact SuSE and its KDE support?
It doesn't. Why would it? Why would we care at all who uses Gnome and who uses KDE? Why do so many people ask us such questions? We ship both GNome and KDE. Just because KDE is the default if you don't press any buttons doesn't mean we're somehow artificially bound to KDE. We've a few KDE developers, and we've got one or two Gnome developers (meaning the core-developers each time). Why does anyone think we've a problem if either one grabs the headlines from time to time? It's both opensource stuff!!! Seems to be American mentality that some people cannot imagine several winners, that always seomeone needs to be declare the looser. Both KDE and Gnome are alive and well, and the major difference in their competition from what we're used to is they both run each others stuff just fine. Because this is so, who cares what anyone happens to start as their desktop? One click of the mouse button at KDM-login time changes the default, and you can run all programs anywhere, so what is the problem???
// I think GNOME's move to leapfrog KDE Office by adopting many parts of StarOffice was a smart move. StarOffice needs only a little work on import and export of file formats to be a competitive alternative to MS Office. Helix Evolution and an eventual calendar tool of similar design, far exceed MS Office capability. I am thinking about trying GNOME again. Comments?
When I looked at their presentation it seemed to me they're trying to build an Outlook for Linux. That's a good idea, but it means it can impossibly "far exceed MS Office", your words. Oh well, yes, ok, it exceeds MS Office, since Outlook is not part of MS Office, but it's part of any standard MS installation. -- Michael Hasenstein http://www.suse.de/~mha/ SuSE Linux AG, Nuernberg (Germany) SuSE Inc., Oakland, California (US) -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Michael Hasenstein wrote:
Ed Scott wrote:
Thoughts on LinuxWord: * SuSE's movie was pretty awful.
Yes, everyone of us who didn't have to be there went into hiding when it was played. -- Michael Hasenstein http://www.suse.de/~mha/ SuSE Linux AG, Nuernberg (Germany) SuSE Inc., Oakland, California (US) -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Michael Hasenstein wrote:
Ed Scott wrote:
Thoughts on LinuxWord: * SuSE's movie was pretty awful.
Yes, everyone of us who didn't have to be there went into hiding when it was played.
Maybe we could come up with something better on our own for SuSE. How about everyone send in a 35 mm slide showing the novel and unique, users and uses of SuSE? No doubt some of the entries would have to end up on the cutting room floor. Got to be more interesting and in the spirit of open source than that goofy movie though. To prime the pump, I suggest the best photo wins a keg of SuSE's finest. ; ) Ed Scott -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
When I looked at their presentation it seemed to me they're trying to build an Outlook for Linux. That's a good idea, but it means it can impossibly "far exceed MS Office", your words. Oh well, yes, ok, it exceeds MS Office, since Outlook is not part of MS Office, but it's part of any standard MS installation.
-- Michael Hasenstein http://www.suse.de/~mha/ SuSE Linux AG, Nuernberg (Germany) SuSE Inc., Oakland, California (US)
What makes Evolution interesting is more than its Outlook look. It lets you define rules for grouping or "sorting" e-mail in a new way that they call virtual folders. With most e-mail programs you can sort e-mail into folders or live with one huge flat file inbox. Most people choose the big inbox because it makes searching easier. Evolution puts multiple search keys into a database and does this in an automated way based upon the rules you define in advance. This seems the ideal way to organize and access e-mail and make it useful information. I bet MS Outlook and KOffice will announce similar capability before too long. This just makes too much sense. It seems amazing that no one has offered it before. Perhaps, "far exceeds MS Outlook" would have been a better choice? Ed Scott ed.scott@jpl.nasa.gov Opinions expressed here are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
When I looked at their presentation it seemed to me they're trying to build an Outlook for Linux. That's a good idea, but it means it can impossibly "far exceed MS Office", your words. Oh well, yes, ok, it exceeds MS Office, since Outlook is not part of MS Office, but it's part of any standard MS installation.
Actually, it is part of MS Office 97 and 2000 for Windows, just not the Mac OS version. ;-) -Tim ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ===================== "Solutions that Work" ===================== -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
// I think GNOME's move to leapfrog KDE Office by adopting many parts of StarOffice was a smart move. StarOffice needs only a little work on import and export of file formats to be a competitive alternative to MS Office. Helix Evolution and an eventual calendar tool of similar design, far exceed MS Office capability. I am thinking about trying GNOME again. Comments?
I don't see it leapfrogging KDE, personally. (1) I can't imagine it being a good thing that there are two distinct GNOMEs now - Helix and Standard, KDE is unified. (2) KDE 2.0 (I'm running Beta 3/1.92) has nearly all of the functionality of StarOffice + Evolution - just in a more Windows-like manor. KDE's KOffice has standalone components rather than a bunch of apps wrapped up into an annoying shell (StarOffice), and KDE's KOrganizer and KMail 1.2 create an amazing improved contact management tools. As to filters, I hear the KOffice people might take advantage of the StarOffice filters once we see them come out GPL'ed - so that won't help Gnome either. Finally, I think KDE has the advantage of a greatly improved Netscape plug-in compatible web browser - a big advantage so we can dump that stupid behemoth that is Netscape. If you haven't already - you really should try KDE 1.92 ("Korner") at http://www.kde.org . There are rough edges, but you can see how polished this desktop environment is - I'd wager to say it's the first D.E. on par with Windows and MacOS in interface quality. -Tim ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ===================== "Solutions that Work" ===================== -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
This statement is wrong. There are not "two" distinct gnomes. There is the raw and the polished. It is the same code base..if polishing and complete testing are concidered a split...that would be a strange concept. I talk to Miguel at Linuxworld and most of the other Helix developers about this and they all said " It is not a split..period end of story" and I guess to have the final word from Miguel is kind of like the word from Linus about the kernel forking...not gonna happen. Have a nice day and enjoy the rest of the ride ;) -> I don't see it leapfrogging KDE, personally. (1) I can't imagine it being a good -->thing that there are two distinct GNOMEs now - Helix and Standard, KDE is unified. -- Cheers, Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ------------------------- "The only 'intuitive' interface is the nipple. After that, it's all learned." -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
I have to agree with this. Helix GNOME is a bit better than KDE-1.1.2, but KDE-2.0 will see the pendulum swing back to KDE and stay there. Putting loads of Sun engineers on GNOME might help it forward; making it the subject of a committee of UNIX vendors all trying to put their own agenda forward while trying to convince everyone they have the interest of the open software at heart will just drag it back. At the end of the day it's the quality of the software that counts, and KDE-2 will be the best Linux desktop for the average user for at least 18 months after it's released.
If you haven't already - you really should try KDE 1.92 ("Korner") at http://www.kde.org . There are rough edges, but you can see how polished this desktop environment is - I'd wager to say it's the first D.E. on par with Windows and MacOS in interface quality.
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