RE: [SLE] Shut-Down Problem NOT Solved

Jostein Berntsen

30 Jul 2002 30 Jul '02

12:15

Hi, Have you tried these solutions? http://sdb.suse.de/en/sdb/html/pohletz_shutdown_73.html ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/update/7.3/kernel/2.4.16-20020416/ Regards, Jostein

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===== Original Message From gilson redrick ===== On Monday, 29 July 2002 14:02, Anders Johansson wrote:

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Maybe, but I could swear that this machine shut down properly when I had 7.3 on it.

I'm almost on the verge of reinstalling 7.3 just to prove the point

//Anders

I've been following this thread with great interest. For the past nine months or so, I've been using 7.3, installing (and re-installing many times) fresh. When I had 7.2 (and, before it, 7.1), the computer shutdown properly (as still does on the rare occasions when I'm forced to use W98). With 7.3, it doesn't. No matter what I do, the result is still the same: I have to shut it down myself. I have had APM, APIC and ACPI off, on and then off, as appended to the booter and/or modifying the BIOS, with no visible difference. Precisely to satisfy my curiosity, I re-installed 7.2 (good thing I have a large HD!), and I proved to myself that with 7.2 (as it came from the CD, without any modification on my part) the computer shuts down, as it does with W98 and Mandrake 8.0. But not with SuSE 7.3! This is not a laptop, but an eMachines desktop with AMD K6. BTW, I thought the problem with 7.3 was the 2.4.10 kernel, so I installed the 2.4.18; no difference.

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Matt T.

31 Jul 31 Jul

12:56

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I do see the same. SuSE 7.2 did shut down perfectly, Windose does shut down, SuSE 8.0 (I skipped 7.3) does not shut down anymore. That means it runs through the shutdown process without any error message, but at the very end, when it did before autoswitchoff the pc, it just sits and waits. I have even to press the switch off button for > 5 seconds to force a hard switch off. It is becoming annoying. Any ideas? Matt T. On Tuesday 30 July 2002 19:15, Jostein Berntsen wrote:

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Hi,

Have you tried these solutions?

http://sdb.suse.de/en/sdb/html/pohletz_shutdown_73.html

no pcp erro messages.

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ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/update/7.3/kernel/2.4.16-20020416/

Regards,

Jostein

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===== Original Message From gilson redrick =====

On Monday, 29 July 2002 14:02, Anders Johansson wrote:

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Maybe, but I could swear that this machine shut down properly when I had 7.3 on it.

I'm almost on the verge of reinstalling 7.3 just to prove the point

//Anders

I've been following this thread with great interest. For the past nine months or so, I've been using 7.3, installing (and re-installing many times) fresh. When I had 7.2 (and, before it, 7.1), the computer shutdown properly (as still does on the rare occasions when I'm forced to use W98). With 7.3, it doesn't. No matter what I do, the result is still the same: I have to shut it down myself. I have had APM, APIC and ACPI off, on and then off, as appended to the booter and/or modifying the BIOS, with no visible difference. Precisely to satisfy my curiosity, I re-installed 7.2 (good thing I have a large HD!), and I proved to myself that with 7.2 (as it came from the CD, without any modification on my part) the computer shuts down, as it does with W98 and Mandrake 8.0. But not with SuSE 7.3! This is not a laptop, but an eMachines desktop with AMD K6. BTW, I thought the problem with 7.3 was the 2.4.10 kernel, so I installed the 2.4.18; no difference.

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Terry Bassett

12:17

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Hello, On one machine I have downloaded all the security updates and the kde updates using YOU. on my other machine I just installed 8.0 and left it alone. The left alone machine shuts itself off just fine and the updated one does not. I'll just continue to update until it does work, but really it is not a huge problem to me. If it is a big problem for you, then perhaps you might re-install 8.0 and not update it. Terry Bassett

zentara

12:49

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On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:56:21 +0700 "Matt T." wrote:

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I do see the same. SuSE 7.2 did shut down perfectly, Windose does shut down, SuSE 8.0 (I skipped 7.3) does not shut down anymore. That means it runs through the shutdown process without any error message, but at the very end, when it did before autoswitchoff the pc, it just sits and waits. I have even to press the switch off button for > 5 seconds to force a hard switch off. It is becoming annoying. Any ideas?

I would check to see if you have something set in your network setup, for something like "close all connections for routing". Yast in 7.2 had an entry "CLOSE_CONNECTIONS". -- use Perl; #powerful programmable prestidigitation

Salman Khilji

21:58

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I am getting increasing more and more annoyed and dissatisfied with Linux. With Microsoft Windows there is much more consistency. Windows ME is unstable and crashes a lot. But so it is for everyone on the planet. Linux? For some people kdesu konqueror works, for some it does not. For me switching to the standard kernel down from the SMP one solved this problem. for you, apparently it did not. I get strange problems on my home machine with my nVidia card when logging out and loggin back in (basically it goes into a blank screen mode until I hit ENTER)---apparently others dont' see it. My office machine has nVidia on it and it runs perfectly. I wish things were a little more consistent. Salman On Wednesday 31 July 2002 08:56, Matt T. wrote:

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I do see the same. SuSE 7.2 did shut down perfectly, Windose does shut down, SuSE 8.0 (I skipped 7.3) does not shut down anymore.

Anders Johansson

22:07

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On Wednesday 31 July 2002 23.58, Salman Khilji wrote:

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Linux? For some people kdesu konqueror works, for some it does not.

I'm pretty sure that if I had 5 or 10 minutes on a system where kdesu doesn't work, I could make it work again. That's the main difference between linux and windows. Noone ever said linux was perfect and free from bugs (as far as I know the only such system was the control system on the first moon lander), but everything is there, out in the open. All it takes is knowledge. On windows and other similar systems it doesn't matter how much you know. If there's a problem in the code you're pretty much fscked.

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For me switching to the standard kernel down from the SMP one solved this problem. for you, apparently it did not.

It can be made to work. All it takes is that someone who knows about such things (I haven't studied the kernel nearly enough to be able to fix bugs in it) could reproduce the problem. Solving problems via email is extremely difficult. regards Anders

Salman Khilji

23:11

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It once came to my mind that it would be nice if Linux users formed a community in different cities where people like me had a chance to learn from experts. Where someone could actually take a look at my machine in cases like these. Where software developers (like me) had a chance starting new Open Source projects and had monthly meeting discussing design issues. If I had this kinda knowlege, I personally wouldn't mind driving for 5 or 10 mintues and helping some stranger with Linux problems/migration from Windows, but thats just me...dunno what others think. Naaah...maybe I am just dreaming. This ain't gonna happen :( Salman

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I'm pretty sure that if I had 5 or 10 minutes on a system where kdesu doesn't work, I could make it work again.

Anders Johansson

23:15

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On Thursday 01 August 2002 01.11, Salman Khilji wrote:

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It once came to my mind that it would be nice if Linux users formed a community in different cities where people like me had a chance to learn from experts. Where someone could actually take a look at my machine in cases like these. Where software developers (like me) had a chance starting new Open Source projects and had monthly meeting discussing design issues.

If I had this kinda knowlege, I personally wouldn't mind driving for 5 or 10 mintues and helping some stranger with Linux problems/migration from Windows, but thats just me...dunno what others think.

Naaah...maybe I am just dreaming. This ain't gonna happen :(

Linux User Groups (LUGs)? They're around. Haven't been to any meetings myself, but I know they're held at regular intervals. I'm sure there's one where you live too //Anders

Jim Goode

1 Aug 1 Aug

12:53

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In our area, we have a Linux SIG (Special Interest Group), which is a subset of the DFWUUG (Dallas-Fort Worth Unix Users Group). I would expect many to exist across the land. ----- Original Message ----- From: Anders Johansson To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] Shut-Down Problem NOT Solved On Thursday 01 August 2002 01.11, Salman Khilji wrote:

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It once came to my mind that it would be nice if Linux users formed a community in different cities where people like me had a chance to learn from experts. Where someone could actually take a look at my machine in cases like these. Where software developers (like me) had a chance starting new Open Source projects and had monthly meeting discussing design issues.

If I had this kinda knowlege, I personally wouldn't mind driving for 5 or 10 mintues and helping some stranger with Linux problems/migration from Windows, but thats just me...dunno what others think.

Naaah...maybe I am just dreaming. This ain't gonna happen :(

Linux User Groups (LUGs)? They're around. Haven't been to any meetings myself, but I know they're held at regular intervals. I'm sure there's one where you live too //Anders -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com

Jerry Feldman

13:55

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In the Boston, Ma area we have several Lunux user groups: The Boston Linux and Unix user group (http://www.blu.org) The Worcester LUG (http://wlug.org) The Metro West LUG The Greater New Hampshire LUG http://www.gnhlug.org). (GNHLUG has subgroups operating in several regions). All the groups have periodic Linux Installfests. Both the Boston and Worcester LUGs use SuSE at the Installfests as well as Red Hat and Mandrake. On 1 Aug 2002 at 7:53, Jim Goode wrote:

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In our area, we have a Linux SIG (Special Interest Group), which is a subset of the DFWUUG (Dallas-Fort Worth Unix Users Group). I would expect many to exist across the land. ----- Original Message ----- From: Anders Johansson To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] Shut-Down Problem NOT Solved

On Thursday 01 August 2002 01.11, Salman Khilji wrote:

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It once came to my mind that it would be nice if Linux users formed a community in different cities where people like me had a chance to learn from experts. Where someone could actually take a look at my machine in cases like these. Where software developers (like me) had a chance starting new Open Source projects and had monthly meeting discussing design issues.

If I had this kinda knowlege, I personally wouldn't mind driving for 5 or 10 mintues and helping some stranger with Linux problems/migration from Windows, but thats just me...dunno what others think.

Naaah...maybe I am just dreaming. This ain't gonna happen :(

Linux User Groups (LUGs)? They're around. Haven't been to any meetings myself, but I know they're held at regular intervals. I'm sure there's one where you live too

//Anders

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Salman Khilji

20:23

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I found one in Tampa Bay area as well. The only thing is that they ask you take yoru computer with you if you have any problems to solve. Since I have a heavy desktop, it kinda makes it hard. Salman

Anders Johansson

20:29

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On Thursday 01 August 2002 22.23, Salman Khilji wrote:

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I found one in Tampa Bay area as well. The only thing is that they ask you take yoru computer with you if you have any problems to solve. Since I have a heavy desktop, it kinda makes it hard.

Not half as hard as solving problems without having the failing system in from of you. If you have it you can experiment, if you don't you have to get the other person to do the experiments for you, which usually results in a) the other person misunderstanding you and doing the wrong things which can result in an even more broken system, or b) the other person simply giving up (sadly the more common result) //Anders

Patrick

01:01

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On Wednesday 31 July 2002 17:58, Salman Khilji wrote:

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I am getting increasing more and more annoyed and dissatisfied with Linux.

With Microsoft Windows there is much more consistency. Windows ME is unstable and crashes a lot. But so it is for everyone on the planet.

Linux? For some people kdesu konqueror works, for some it does not. For me switching to the standard kernel down from the SMP one solved this problem. for you, apparently it did not.

I get strange problems on my home machine with my nVidia card when logging out and loggin back in (basically it goes into a blank screen mode until I hit ENTER)---apparently others dont' see it. My office machine has nVidia on it and it runs perfectly.

I wish things were a little more consistent.

Salman

Salman, Belive it or not, if you could get the hardware makers to follow standards, then things would be more consistent. The problems you have run into, I could attribute mostly to hardware problems. Yes, everyone will come back and say; "well Windows works with it"! Yes, it might or might not according to the drivers supplied for a buggy OS to run the hardware. I think Linux is doing a very good job with all the inconsistent hardware out here and the user needs also to be a little more selective when choosing articles for a computer, if they plan to run Linux on it. As Anders mentioned, most, if not all, the "linux bugs" can be fixed even with flakey or troublesome hardware, as I just found out myself. So before you blame the LinuxOS, yell at the hardware makers to either supply Linux drivers, make the hardware specs available to the developers or standardize the hardware, so that problems like you experienced don't come up. Patrick -- --- KMail v1.4.2 --- SuSE Linux Pro v8.0 --- Amiga, SuSE Linux, PC Sales & Service Magic Page Products

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