[opensuse] Microsoft Excel 2010 in Wine
I would like to be able to use excel in wine and I have almost got it working. Sor far I have followed these steps: step 1 deleted ~/.wine step 2 run command (to make my wine prefix 32-bit not 64) WINEARCH=win32 winecfg step 3 follow instructions here https://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/06/how-to-install-microsoft-office-suite-2... step 4 excel installed (32-bit version) with no errors so did the dotnet20 and msxml and corefonts pacakages. When excel is opened I get the error: Not enough memory to run Microsoft Excel. lease close other applications and try again This install works fine on windows so it is not my disc I have tried on my laptop which has 4GB RAM (3.2GB fre when I tried to open excel) and my desktop which has 32GB RAM of which most is free. Does anyone have any clue how to get this working? Perhaps there is a setting telling wine how much memory it has available? Host OS opensuse 13.1 x64 Wine version 1.7.28 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 22:41 +0100, Paul Groves wrote:
I would like to be able to use excel in wine and I have almost got it working. Sor far I have followed these steps:
step 1 deleted ~/.wine
step 2 run command (to make my wine prefix 32-bit not 64) WINEARCH=win32 winecfg
step 3 follow instructions here https://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/06/how-to-install-microsoft-office-suite-2...
step 4 excel installed (32-bit version) with no errors so did the dotnet20 and msxml and corefonts pacakages. When excel is opened I get the error: Not enough memory to run Microsoft Excel. lease close other applications and try again
This install works fine on windows so it is not my disc I have tried on my laptop which has 4GB RAM (3.2GB fre when I tried to open excel) and my desktop which has 32GB RAM of which most is free.
Does anyone have any clue how to get this working? Perhaps there is a setting telling wine how much memory it has available?
Host OS opensuse 13.1 x64 Wine version 1.7.28
I have better success by not using Wine to run MS Office in linux. I suggest installing the linux version of wps-office using the one click install. I use the one provided by home:opensuse_zh http://software.opensuse.org/package/wps-office?search_term=wps-office If I need to use MS Office in linux, I run it in some version of windows in VirtualBox in my opensuse system. I use it every month this way to produce a newsletter using MS Word and Adobe Acrobat. I have never had very good success using Wine or its commercial equivalent to run MS programs in Linux dependably. You describe your Wine setup as "almost working," I can say that has been the state of Wine for the last 10 years or so. Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 7/1/2015 2:52 PM, Mark Misulich wrote:
I use it every month this way to produce a newsletter using MS Word and Adobe Acrobat.
Seriously, I can't imagine a single valid reason for firing up a virtual machine to use either Word or Acrobat. Install LibreOffice, import one old newsletter and do the newsletters with LO. It will even render the letter to PDF for you. You can even save them in Word format if you are convinced you can never drag yourself away from Word. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2015-07-01 at 15:15 -0700, John Andersen wrote:
On 7/1/2015 2:52 PM, Mark Misulich wrote:
I use it every month this way to produce a newsletter using MS Word and Adobe Acrobat.
Seriously, I can't imagine a single valid reason for firing up a virtual machine to use either Word or Acrobat.
Install LibreOffice, import one old newsletter and do the newsletters with LO. It will even render the letter to PDF for you. You can even save them in Word format if you are convinced you can never drag yourself away from Word.
Hi John, thanks for posting your comments. I do have LO installed, and have tried to use it to produce the newsletter in the past. I haven't found it to be very useful for my purposes, so I have had to use the other programs as I described. It isn't a matter of tearing myself away from Word. I actually would prefer that LO would be more useful to me so I could produce the newsletter in Linux and not have to use Windows and the virtual machine. I thank you again for posting and trying to point me to an equivalent Linux program for the Windows programs that I have been using. Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/01/2015 09:15 PM, Mark Misulich wrote:
On Wed, 2015-07-01 at 15:15 -0700, John Andersen wrote:
On 7/1/2015 2:52 PM, Mark Misulich wrote:
I use it every month this way to produce a newsletter using MS Word and Adobe Acrobat.
Seriously, I can't imagine a single valid reason for firing up a virtual machine to use either Word or Acrobat.
Install LibreOffice, import one old newsletter and do the newsletters with LO. It will even render the letter to PDF for you. You can even save them in Word format if you are convinced you can never drag yourself away from Word.
Hi John, thanks for posting your comments.
I do have LO installed, and have tried to use it to produce the newsletter in the past. I haven't found it to be very useful for my purposes, so I have had to use the other programs as I described.
It isn't a matter of tearing myself away from Word. I actually would prefer that LO would be more useful to me so I could produce the newsletter in Linux and not have to use Windows and the virtual machine.
I thank you again for posting and trying to point me to an equivalent Linux program for the Windows programs that I have been using.
Mark
You might want to have a look at SoftMakerOffice, which includes TextMaker, a word processor. Altho there is (was?) a free version for Linux, it was reported to be fairly limited. I have been using the paid version of the software, which is discounted for home use. (Don't know if your newletter is for a business purpose or for something that would qualify for the discount.) There is supposed to be a new Linux version coming out shortly, I don't know just when. The present Linux version is 2012. (The new version is already available for Windows.) I suspect that your problem with LO is the strait-jacket that their "styles" routine enforces on you. You should not see anything like that in TextMaker. I went to TextMaker when I could not put up with the eccentricity of LO/OO. I don't do anything sexy with it, so I can't say whether you will like it or not. I have no personal interest in the German company that makes SoftMakerOffice. I will say that they do answer questions submitted to them about use of the products, altho it may take a week or two. --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2015-07-01 at 21:52 -0400, Doug wrote:
On 07/01/2015 09:15 PM, Mark Misulich wrote:
On Wed, 2015-07-01 at 15:15 -0700, John Andersen wrote:
On 7/1/2015 2:52 PM, Mark Misulich wrote:
I use it every month this way to produce a newsletter using MS Word and Adobe Acrobat.
Seriously, I can't imagine a single valid reason for firing up a virtual machine to use either Word or Acrobat.
Install LibreOffice, import one old newsletter and do the newsletters with LO. It will even render the letter to PDF for you. You can even save them in Word format if you are convinced you can never drag yourself away from Word.
Hi John, thanks for posting your comments.
I do have LO installed, and have tried to use it to produce the newsletter in the past. I haven't found it to be very useful for my purposes, so I have had to use the other programs as I described.
It isn't a matter of tearing myself away from Word. I actually would prefer that LO would be more useful to me so I could produce the newsletter in Linux and not have to use Windows and the virtual machine.
I thank you again for posting and trying to point me to an equivalent Linux program for the Windows programs that I have been using.
Mark
You might want to have a look at SoftMakerOffice, which includes TextMaker, a word processor. Altho there is (was?) a free version for Linux, it was reported to be fairly limited. I have been using the paid version of the software, which is discounted for home use. (Don't know if your newletter is for a business purpose or for something that would qualify for the discount.) There is supposed to be a new Linux version coming out shortly, I don't know just when. The present Linux version is 2012. (The new version is already available for Windows.)
I suspect that your problem with LO is the strait-jacket that their "styles" routine enforces on you. You should not see anything like that in TextMaker. I went to TextMaker when I could not put up with the eccentricity of LO/OO. I don't do anything sexy with it, so I can't say whether you will like it or not.
I have no personal interest in the German company that makes SoftMakerOffice. I will say that they do answer questions submitted to them about use of the products, altho it may take a week or two.
--doug
Hi Doug, thanks for the recommendation regarding Softmaker Office. I do have that installed, and it was one of the programs that I tried to use in Linux to replace Word. Its a great program, but it didn't do what I wanted it to do for me. I think it would also be a suitable replacement for MS Office Suite for Paul, who had the original post that I answered about how to get Excel going in Wine. My opinion is that he shouldn't bother with Wine, when he has several Linux alternatives that will do the job for him and do it well. My suggestion was to try the WPS Office Suite. When I have compared the office suites available in Linux, I felt that WPS Office would be my choice of program for him. It looks and operates almost identical to the MS program, and I thought it would be an easy switch for him. It also works very well. For his purposes, LO might be a suitable candidate as well. Its best if he can try all three office suites suggested and make up his own mind as to which works best for him. Thanks, Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
I have managed to get Excel installed without errors now. I had to remove wine and reinstall for some reason but this worked with a fresh install. However it will not run any macros at all and Excel just closes with no errors. I am trying to get Microsoft excel to work to use SMS (Scout Management System) spreadsheets. This does not work with Libre or Open Office because of the macros. (Which do not work in Wine! aaagh :/) As discussed already, it seems pointless having a whole VM just to run one program and would be great if Excel would work in Wine. It is marked as Gold compatibility on the wine database but my experience is obviously different. Everything works other than Macros and installing a license key! (Which is kind of important). Any Idea where to go from here? My last resort will be to have to install a Windows VM which as I am sure everyone will agree is very over the top (and unpleasant :D) for one application! On 3 July 2015 at 03:44, Mark Misulich <munguanaweza@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 2015-07-01 at 21:52 -0400, Doug wrote:
On 07/01/2015 09:15 PM, Mark Misulich wrote:
On Wed, 2015-07-01 at 15:15 -0700, John Andersen wrote:
On 7/1/2015 2:52 PM, Mark Misulich wrote:
I use it every month this way to produce a newsletter using MS Word and Adobe Acrobat.
Seriously, I can't imagine a single valid reason for firing up a virtual machine to use either Word or Acrobat.
Install LibreOffice, import one old newsletter and do the newsletters with LO. It will even render the letter to PDF for you. You can even save them in Word format if you are convinced you can never drag yourself away from Word.
Hi John, thanks for posting your comments.
I do have LO installed, and have tried to use it to produce the newsletter in the past. I haven't found it to be very useful for my purposes, so I have had to use the other programs as I described.
It isn't a matter of tearing myself away from Word. I actually would prefer that LO would be more useful to me so I could produce the newsletter in Linux and not have to use Windows and the virtual machine.
I thank you again for posting and trying to point me to an equivalent Linux program for the Windows programs that I have been using.
Mark
You might want to have a look at SoftMakerOffice, which includes TextMaker, a word processor. Altho there is (was?) a free version for Linux, it was reported to be fairly limited. I have been using the paid version of the software, which is discounted for home use. (Don't know if your newletter is for a business purpose or for something that would qualify for the discount.) There is supposed to be a new Linux version coming out shortly, I don't know just when. The present Linux version is 2012. (The new version is already available for Windows.)
I suspect that your problem with LO is the strait-jacket that their "styles" routine enforces on you. You should not see anything like that in TextMaker. I went to TextMaker when I could not put up with the eccentricity of LO/OO. I don't do anything sexy with it, so I can't say whether you will like it or not.
I have no personal interest in the German company that makes SoftMakerOffice. I will say that they do answer questions submitted to them about use of the products, altho it may take a week or two.
--doug
Hi Doug,
thanks for the recommendation regarding Softmaker Office. I do have that installed, and it was one of the programs that I tried to use in Linux to replace Word. Its a great program, but it didn't do what I wanted it to do for me.
I think it would also be a suitable replacement for MS Office Suite for Paul, who had the original post that I answered about how to get Excel going in Wine. My opinion is that he shouldn't bother with Wine, when he has several Linux alternatives that will do the job for him and do it well. My suggestion was to try the WPS Office Suite.
When I have compared the office suites available in Linux, I felt that WPS Office would be my choice of program for him. It looks and operates almost identical to the MS program, and I thought it would be an easy switch for him. It also works very well. For his purposes, LO might be a suitable candidate as well. Its best if he can try all three office suites suggested and make up his own mind as to which works best for him.
Thanks, Mark
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On Fri, 3 Jul 2015 14:37:56 Paul Groves wrote:
I have managed to get Excel installed without errors now. I had to remove wine and reinstall for some reason but this worked with a fresh install.
However it will not run any macros at all and Excel just closes with no errors.
I am trying to get Microsoft excel to work to use SMS (Scout Management System) spreadsheets. This does not work with Libre or Open Office because of the macros. (Which do not work in Wine! aaagh :/)
As discussed already, it seems pointless having a whole VM just to run one program and would be great if Excel would work in Wine. It is marked as Gold compatibility on the wine database but my experience is obviously different. Everything works other than Macros and installing a license key! (Which is kind of important).
Any Idea where to go from here? My last resort will be to have to install a Windows VM which as I am sure everyone will agree is very over the top (and unpleasant :D) for one application!
Paul, I have been using Excel (including macros) in openSuSE since about version 11 or so, using CodeWeavers Crossover Linux (formerly Crossover Office). It's compatibility is much better than vanilla wine and was originally optimised for MS Office (and now many other progs as well). However, for the best experience, RTFM and follow their recommendations. The only small glitch I've found is sometimes there are discrepancies in some of the language/internationalisation options between the same document opened on Windows and on Crossover, but they're only minor annoyances for me - nothing that can't be worked around. FWIW, you can download a free trial version which will allow you to run it for something like 21 days to test it. If it doesn't work, don't pay for it. It works for me, but YMMV. Regards, Rodney. -- ============================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au ============================================================== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/03/2015 09:37 AM, Paul Groves wrote:
However it will not run any macros at all and Excel just closes with no errors.
I am trying to get Microsoft excel to work to use SMS (Scout Management System) spreadsheets. This does not work with Libre or Open Office because of the macros. (Which do not work in Wine! aaagh :/)
Hmmm. The original macros don't work in LO. The original macros don't work running under WINE. I have a vague recollection from years ago of a tool that converted Excell macros to ... it was probably StarOffice back then, but who knows. maybe its till around in a later incarnation.? I've just been reading about the US navy paying Microsoft Mucho$$ to keep them running Windows XP. maintaining backward compatibility can be expensive. I dread to think what life is like for the people who are running mission critical s/w on one of the old IBM PC clones from 1982. What happens when that not quite compatible with IBM hardware fails and the program that was written specifically for that hardware just has to keep running or the company goes under? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-07-03 15:55, Anton Aylward wrote:
What happens when that not quite compatible with IBM hardware fails and the program that was written specifically for that hardware just has to keep running or the company goes under?
Well... The NASA has a lot of data from "deep" space missions that they couldn't even read from the tapes. They had, I think, to re-manufacture at least a pair of tape units just to recover the data and store it in hard disks instead, or something. What I don't know is if they also had to create drivers and interfaces to connect to a modern computer, or they salvaged a pdp11 or whatever it was that used those tapes. And the NASA is not the only organization facing similar issues. Ask any library with digital records. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWWljsACgkQja8UbcUWM1zKywD/TrjyE9ENxXv3Gr9MJmQJE9sP Ty0PDu+yS8DXMjINn3gBAIVQ90/07XyY+xZroVb+2DN6pHjb8D5tjEeOsaR1U+Tz =jRSh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/03/2015 08:55 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
I dread to think what life is like for the people who are running mission critical s/w on one of the old IBM PC clones from 1982. What happens when that not quite compatible with IBM hardware fails and the program that was written specifically for that hardware just has to keep running or the company goes under?
The TV station has a $25,000 custom piece of software that runs on an old pentium computer. We keep saying prayers for the continued operation of that computer. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/03/2015 05:16 PM, Billie Walsh wrote:
On 07/03/2015 08:55 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
I dread to think what life is like for the people who are running mission critical s/w on one of the old IBM PC clones from 1982. What happens when that not quite compatible with IBM hardware fails and the program that was written specifically for that hardware just has to keep running or the company goes under?
The TV station has a $25,000 custom piece of software that runs on an old pentium computer. We keep saying prayers for the continued operation of that computer. .................
- might it be practical to run that mission critical s/w on one of the old IBM PC clones as a Virtual Machine on VMware or Virtual Box ?? regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/03/2015 08:37 AM, Paul Groves wrote:
Any Idea where to go from here? My last resort will be to have to install a Windows VM which as I am sure everyone will agree is very over the top (and unpleasant :D) for one application!
I have a separate computer for Windows. They share two monitors. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/03/2015 08:37 AM, Paul Groves wrote:
Any Idea where to go from here? My last resort will be to have to install a Windows VM which as I am sure everyone will agree is very over the top (and unpleasant :D) for one application!
Paul: I use old Quicken 99 that I have used since W95. Sometimes it works with Wine, depending on the version but suse 13.1 just plain pissed me off and, since I had virtualbox and Win7 installed, I put Q99 there. It is about the only use for that VM and it doesn't take very long to boot and run. I set up a shared folder between the guest (Win 7) and the host and backup my data to a directory in my userspace so that if the VM dies, or is corrupted or whatever I still have a good copy of the data. Point I'm trying to make is that using a VM for your purpose ain't all that bad. Stop trying to get that phillips screw out with a flat blade screwdriver. Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-07-02 03:15, Mark Misulich wrote:
I do have LO installed, and have tried to use it to produce the newsletter in the past. I haven't found it to be very useful for my purposes, so I have had to use the other programs as I described.
I think it is just a matter of insisting, of training yourself. The interfaces are different, but the capabilities are very similar. Only some specific or advanced functions are missing. Re styles, I also use styles (however they are called) in Word. I simply refuse to work without them. Could you produce or post a newsletter sample in word, so that we can try to regenerate it in LO? If the content is private, just replace the words with "blah blah blah", or copy paste the text from one of the books at the Guttenberg project. The actual contents do not matter, I guess. You'd have to post the docx and the pdf, so that we can see the exact expected layout. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWVBycACgkQja8UbcUWM1ypawEAjjUNxAiWnoLmqi4lfUXFjOZc rSKB/lTwuX4yCbuEca4A/25poGBarBBHr8/oCw8uJsxdv8sQqD/h0gw9zDIcTpvI =o5ZZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
John Andersen wrote:
On 7/1/2015 2:52 PM, Mark Misulich wrote:
I use it every month this way to produce a newsletter using MS Word and Adobe Acrobat.
Seriously, I can't imagine a single valid reason for firing up a virtual machine to use either Word or Acrobat.
Install LibreOffice, import one old newsletter and do the newsletters with LO. It will even render the letter to PDF for you. You can even save them in Word format if you are convinced you can never drag yourself away from Word.
I have to second that - in my company, we've been MS-Office-free for nearly ten years. Initially it must have been with openoffice 1.x. It was very much a conscious decision and we've never looked back. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (23.5°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/07/15 16:46, Per Jessen wrote:
John Andersen wrote:
On 7/1/2015 2:52 PM, Mark Misulich wrote:
I use it every month this way to produce a newsletter using MS Word and Adobe Acrobat. Seriously, I can't imagine a single valid reason for firing up a virtual machine to use either Word or Acrobat.
Install LibreOffice, import one old newsletter and do the newsletters with LO. It will even render the letter to PDF for you. You can even save them in Word format if you are convinced you can never drag yourself away from Word. I have to second that - in my company, we've been MS-Office-free for nearly ten years. Initially it must have been with openoffice 1.x. It was very much a conscious decision and we've never looked back.
A question re this: when exporting a document written using LO - in my case I want to export a spreadsheet (or even a text document) - to be read and worked on a Windows system, which export format would one use? BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.6 & kernel 4.1.1-0 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On July 2, 2015 12:24:36 AM PDT, Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:
On 02/07/15 16:46, Per Jessen wrote:
John Andersen wrote:
On 7/1/2015 2:52 PM, Mark Misulich wrote:
I use it every month this way to produce a newsletter using MS Word and Adobe Acrobat. Seriously, I can't imagine a single valid reason for firing up a virtual machine to use either Word or Acrobat.
Install LibreOffice, import one old newsletter and do the newsletters with LO. It will even render the letter to PDF for you. You can even save them in Word format if you are convinced you can never drag yourself away from Word. I have to second that - in my company, we've been MS-Office-free for nearly ten years. Initially it must have been with openoffice 1.x. It was very much a conscious decision and we've never looked back.
A question re this: when exporting a document written using LO - in my case I want to export a spreadsheet (or even a text document) - to be read and worked on a Windows system, which export format would one use?
BC
Export to the version of Microsoft Office you co-worker will be using. (Or one version older). LO offers several. You simply select Word 2012, or whatever. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-07-02 09:24, Basil Chupin wrote:
A question re this: when exporting a document written using LO - in my case I want to export a spreadsheet (or even a text document) - to be read and worked on a Windows system, which export format would one use?
For text I use docx. Seems to work, but I see differences. For example, I sent one page, got back two, just because the lines flowed a bit differently. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWVBXAACgkQja8UbcUWM1z2TgEAjNLLYJ2fvdVP7RaSp7RP1lq4 L1UiGxH4wlZTB4jKTqMA/2pLoR2kysm5ftS2ldRoEmvcdv7Y1s4RNGIm7q/nIsbh =Di8J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-07-02 09:24, Basil Chupin wrote:
A question re this: when exporting a document written using LO - in my case I want to export a spreadsheet (or even a text document) - to be read and worked on a Windows system, which export format would one use?
For text I use docx. Seems to work, but I see differences. For example, I sent one page, got back two, just because the lines flowed a bit differently.
I usually only have reason to do this with spreadsheets, and I usually chose the Excel95 format. I expect the -x formats would work too. I sometimes get Word documents from both Windows and Mac, and there are always differences once they're imported. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (27.5°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/02/2015 05:33 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
For text I use docx. Seems to work, but I see differences. For example, I sent one page, got back two, just because the lines flowed a bit differently.
Well, heck! hat happens between different versions of MS-Word anyway. it was always one of the complaints about it! -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-07-02 12:27, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 07/02/2015 05:33 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
For text I use docx. Seems to work, but I see differences. For example, I sent one page, got back two, just because the lines flowed a bit differently.
Well, heck! hat happens between different versions of MS-Word anyway. it was always one of the complaints about it!
True, I forgot. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWVEyUACgkQja8UbcUWM1zT6wD+MIaYJ13KUpnq9Alo1CM2ts4z kEhsw5sy2eM8fQpoOd4A/070qkU2pb4X+LvomcnKuYeRwc1uBRhHsP+SCwI0wsYC =hN6V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/02/2015 02:46 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
John Andersen wrote:
On 7/1/2015 2:52 PM, Mark Misulich wrote:
I use it every month this way to produce a newsletter using MS Word and Adobe Acrobat.
Seriously, I can't imagine a single valid reason for firing up a virtual machine to use either Word or Acrobat.
Install LibreOffice, import one old newsletter and do the newsletters with LO. It will even render the letter to PDF for you. You can even save them in Word format if you are convinced you can never drag yourself away from Word.
I have to second that - in my company, we've been MS-Office-free for nearly ten years. Initially it must have been with openoffice 1.x. It was very much a conscious decision and we've never looked back.
+1 I do note that many of the documents we 'converted' had been written by people more used to WordPerfect and used explicit line by line word by word formatting, which was a bitch of a job to convert and would not have been possible if we weren't using Perl. If you want to see an example of this kind of idiocy look at some HTML mail produced by the MS-Word editor in Outlook. And yes there are web sites that do much the same the same thing. OO/LO isn't exactly "obsessive" about style sheets any more than Firefox is. You can get by without them, but OO/LO is more consistent in their application than MS-Word is -- any of the versions of MS-Word, to my best knowledge. This is particularly true for nested lists. Many of the proposal & specifications we deal with reflect the governmental/military style and need to be consistent about such matters are indenting. Something that we could never achieve with MS-Word. On a couple of occasions our clients have actually asked "How can you get MS-Word to be that consistent?" Well we can't/couldn't. But we could with LO. As for the other parts of MS-Office ... Converting presentations was painful. I freely admit that. The problem was with fonts and spacing. There was no easy solution. None of our spreadsheets were complex. Most related to matters of time/billing. A few were simple financial planning or reporting. The worst case were the ones embedded in documents. All converted without problems, perhaps because the most complicated expressions were sum of columns or rows. Or date calculations. Like Per, we've lived without MS-office (except for a couple of die-hards in sales&marketing) for a long while, many for all of this century. I'm slowly converting to run Linux. A few native, a few as remote terminals/thin clients. The main source of .doc/.docx and other MS0office formats is the outside world. Many people treat it as a 'standard' rather than export to a text format. Others are using PDFs for a variety of reasons, some people (mistakenly) see them as immutable but for the most part they seem to be used because they display exactly how the author wants. Well perhaps that's not quite true. I have some PDF files from "e-book" authors who supply them as an alternative to .mobi format. The PDF readers in the ebook readers on my tablet seem to all use the same library and it DOES NOT display PDFs, and that includes the graphics/mindmaps we've produced, the same on tablets as on PCs using Adobe reader, FoXItreader or even Gwenview. So much for universality of display. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-07-02 12:05, Anton Aylward wrote:
I do note that many of the documents we 'converted' had been written by people more used to WordPerfect and used explicit line by line word by word formatting, which was a bitch of a job to convert and would not have been possible if we weren't using Perl.
I used wordperfect a lot, and I can tell you I never used nor saw explicit line ends, except at the end of each paragraph, as expected. I think that type of text must have been written by people that had been using typewriters all their life. On any wordprocessor you had to forget that: I learned the trick within minutes of starting work with wordstar the first time (well, maybe the first time I used it not for code, but for text. I did not have a printer at the time). I see that text "non-flow" when editing text directly in acrobat, though. LyX has a feature to import plain text, joining consecutive lines into a single paragraph.
OO/LO isn't exactly "obsessive" about style sheets any more than Firefox is. You can get by without them, but OO/LO is more consistent in their application than MS-Word is -- any of the versions of MS-Word, to my best knowledge.
I use styles in MS-W. I learned about the feature with Amipro, I think. I can't understand how people can work without them. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWVEq0ACgkQja8UbcUWM1xX6QD/QMf17+fRNR3DEQEAhm4VhIYC 56etwlOKzyCvj4/rdvEA/RdWtbr14Qqn5M15Z5/sadStXND2HLKDUpykOZTrY243 =mlA5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hi Mark, if you want to produce high professional documents I recommend to use Scribus: http://software.opensuse.org/package/scribus . This is more the Quark Express/Adobe InDesign. I found it hard to learn it at the beginning, but once I was used to it, I could quickly create brilliant things with it in a short time. Simon Am 01.07.2015 um 23:52 schrieb Mark Misulich:> On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 22:41 +0100, Paul Groves wrote:
I would like to be able to use excel in wine and I have almost got it working. Sor far I have followed these steps:
step 1 deleted ~/.wine
step 2 run command (to make my wine prefix 32-bit not 64) WINEARCH=win32 winecfg
step 3 follow instructions here
https://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/06/how-to-install-microsoft-office-suite-2...
step 4 excel installed (32-bit version) with no errors so did the dotnet20 and msxml and corefonts pacakages. When excel is opened I get the error: Not enough memory to run Microsoft Excel. lease close other applications and try again
This install works fine on windows so it is not my disc I have tried on my laptop which has 4GB RAM (3.2GB fre when I tried to open excel) and my desktop which has 32GB RAM of which most is free.
Does anyone have any clue how to get this working? Perhaps there is a setting telling wine how much memory it has available?
Host OS opensuse 13.1 x64 Wine version 1.7.28
I have better success by not using Wine to run MS Office in linux. I suggest installing the linux version of wps-office using the one click install. I use the one provided by home:opensuse_zh
http://software.opensuse.org/package/wps-office?search_term=wps-office
If I need to use MS Office in linux, I run it in some version of windows in VirtualBox in my opensuse system. I use it every month this way to produce a newsletter using MS Word and Adobe Acrobat.
I have never had very good success using Wine or its commercial equivalent to run MS programs in Linux dependably. You describe your Wine setup as "almost working," I can say that has been the state of Wine for the last 10 years or so.
Mark
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On 07/02/2015 04:49 AM, s.heimbach@explosive-software.de wrote:
Hi Mark,
if you want to produce high professional documents I recommend to use Scribus: http://software.opensuse.org/package/scribus . This is more the Quark Express/Adobe InDesign. I found it hard to learn it at the beginning, but once I was used to it, I could quickly create brilliant things with it in a short time.
Simon
I've never found such recommendations convincing. "Use some hard to use package, mostly unknown to anyone, because after a horrendous learning curve you’d be almost back to where you were?" Really? LO and OO put you into production mode doing every common thing from Word in less than an afternoon of experimenting, and two way conversion works almost flawlessly on typical documents. Personally I've found LO superior to word for everyday work, letters, newsletters, documentation manuals, and entire small pamphlet publications, etc. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/02/2015 07:49 AM, s.heimbach@explosive-software.de wrote:
Hi Mark,
if you want to produce high professional documents I recommend to use Scribus: http://software.opensuse.org/package/scribus . This is more the Quark Express/Adobe InDesign. I found it hard to learn it at the beginning, but once I was used to it, I could quickly create brilliant things with it in a short time.
Simon
+1 in that the people I've spoken to here that use Linux for our newsletters and stuff like that say "Why would you use a Word clone for what is really a 'layout' type of composition?" I wonder about doing my resume in a layout tool rather than LO. make it visually more interesting. Or something. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 11:52 PM, Mark Misulich <munguanaweza@gmail.com> wrote:
I have better success by not using Wine to run MS Office in linux. I suggest installing the linux version of wps-office using the one click install. I use the one provided by home:opensuse_zh
http://software.opensuse.org/package/wps-office?search_term=wps-office
If I need to use MS Office in linux, I run it in some version of windows in VirtualBox in my opensuse system. I use it every month this way to produce a newsletter using MS Word and Adobe Acrobat.
I have never had very good success using Wine or its commercial equivalent to run MS programs in Linux dependably. You describe your Wine setup as "almost working," I can say that has been the state of Wine for the last 10 years or so.
Have to +1 this. If you're facing a vendor lock and you are the only one in your team using linux you cannot rely on wine, even if it does not crash on you. The fonts, the metrics, the locale, NTLM auth, at least something but will go wrong, even after you install and use it for some time. I had to create a VM in virtualbox and enable RDP there to allow our admins to install corporate version of Windows and Outlook there, it is enough for 32-bit Windows XP to have 256 MB RAM, so should not be a problem if you have 32GB on your desktop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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