On 4/12/07, Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote:

Alexey Eremenko escribió:

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opened a feature-request:

Please make available a 2 DVD set for openSUSE 10.3: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=263606

Distribution is already too big, and if you want all packages, buy the boxed set. otherwise this will only be a non-sense waste of resources.

Have you ever tried the boxed set ? I have a boxed openSUSE 10.2 The problem is that boxed set doesn't include all the packages either. The downloadble DVD includes about 3000 packages, the boxed DVD has 3500 packages versus full FTP tree of about 5000 packages. (x86+noarch) -- -Alexey Eremenko "Technologov" N�����r��y隊Z)z{.�ﮞ˛���m�)z{.��+�Z+i�b�*'jW(�f�vǦj)h���Ǿ��i�������

Hi Randall Schulz ! I'm happy, that at least one man around is supporting me ! Can you respond on the bugzilla feature-request to the bad-guys ? please. link: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=263606 -- -Alexey Eremenko "Technologov" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Can you respond on the bugzilla feature-request to the bad-guys ? please. link: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=263606

I add this on bugzilla: I think this debate is not well done. What users want is to have openSUSE as dvd's on they desk, not on the servers. Make a _bootable_ dvd is sometime difficult, so it's good to have an iso for this one, but for the others any ftp/makedvd system should be good. So what we need is _not_ new isos, but a way to identify successive dvd's content (any number). There are several system to do so. The simpler (for the user) should to have each dvd content to be in a separate folder, but a simple list on a file could be enough if better for you: simply identify the files as dvd1, dvd2... and any ftp app could dl the good one. in such a way, even independant dealer could provide dvd sets (as they already do for the cd's and the dvd), but in a more standardised way -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Thomas Hertweck wrote:

Alexey Eremenko wrote:

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I'm happy, that at least one man around is supporting me !

I support this as well. All this repository stuff is getting out of hand from my point of view, so having at least all the official SuSE packages on a nice (modular) DVD ISO set is something very useful...

Th.

I add my support to this too. -- "I don't know who you are or where you've come from, but from now on you'll do as I say, okay?" - Princess Leia -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Druid wrote:

I disagree, the current size fits much use cases already, and not even the boxed set has all the rpms. A fraction of the people need this. They could make the dvd fitted to their needs with programs like kiwi, jigdo.

Except this is the case if you don't have internet access. Pretty hard to do jigdo then, via snail mail maybe? ;-) -- "I don't know who you are or where you've come from, but from now on you'll do as I say, okay?" - Princess Leia -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Jonathan Arsenault wrote:

On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 22:36 +0200, Jan Karjalainen wrote:

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Druid wrote:

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I disagree, the current size fits much use cases already, and not even the boxed set has all the rpms. A fraction of the people need this. They could make the dvd fitted to their needs with programs like kiwi, jigdo.

Except this is the case if you don't have internet access. Pretty hard to do jigdo then, via snail mail maybe? ;-)

The same freaking way he would get the .iso for the DVD in the first place ...

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The retail box? Is it hard to understand that not everyone (hey, the ones who aren't on this list for instance) does have internet access, and if they have, it often is dialup. -- "I don't know who you are or where you've come from, but from now on you'll do as I say, okay?" - Princess Leia -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thu 12 April 07 15:19, Jan Karjalainen wrote:

Thomas Hertweck wrote:

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Alexey Eremenko wrote:

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I'm happy, that at least one man around is supporting me !

I support this as well. All this repository stuff is getting out of hand from my point of view, so having at least all the official SuSE packages on a nice (modular) DVD ISO set is something very useful...

Th.

I add my support to this too.

Same here, 'cause dialup sucks. -- "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Benjamin Franklin "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." Thomas Jefferson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 16:46 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Thomas Hertweck [04-12-07 16:18]: [...]

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I support this as well. All this repository stuff is getting out of hand from my point of view, so having at least all the official SuSE packages on a nice (modular) DVD ISO set is something very useful...

me 2 :^0

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Why not simply reverting back to having ONLY FTP and no iso at all, maybe that would shut you guys up a bit ... But NOOOO lets pull a Debian and publish 300 iso to the point we loose half of the mirrors we have ... 56K or not if you can manage to sync a 3.8GB iso file you can do the same with a RPMs directory. -- "Why can't humans just reboot instead of sleeping, so much wasted cycles" -Zombie Coder. Jonathan Arsenault - - http://jarpack.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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For open source advocate, you are quite conservative. If there's an idea that might help someone, why not let it happen?

If one is about to download 2 DVDs in dial up he is screwed anyway, wouldnt matter if he rsyncs rpms, downloads an ISO, 2 ISOs or etc Use kiwi or jigdo, pack a repo locally, dunno You say you are solving a problem when in fact you are creating dozens of other problems for mirror admins, for ISPs, for mirrors, for the whole infrastructure. Its easier to get greedy and say "screw you all, do what I want" Marcio --- druid -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Oh, who said someone was going to download 2 DVDs via dialup? The solution of having the ftp tree on DVDs is for the people on dialup or no internet access at all. It is doable, if you don't know or have the energy to think out how then let someone else worry about it.

If you dont know the implications or dont have the intelligence to, even after I point it clearly, you need to let other people think about it. "Its doable", "I think there is no problem" means "I have no idea what this would cause, but I really dont care" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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"Its doable", "I think there is no problem" means "I have no idea what this would cause, but I really dont care"

Intelligence..? Show some by replying correctly in the thread.... You stated that you clearly pointed out something. Let's see: "You say you are solving a problem when in fact you are creating dozens of other problems for mirror admins, for ISPs, for mirrors, for the whole infrastructure."

Dozens of other problems? Oh, that! It can't get any more crystal clear than that...

Your answer simply hasn't addressed any of the points I ahve mentioned, probably because you havent understood. You, as it seems common in here, are just someone that wants to give orders and demands to other people, you dont want to get job done. Just randomly giving tasks to other people, including the opensuse people, who have their own bosses. Start being part of the solution, instead of being part of the problem (which includes creating new problems). Marcio --- druid -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Speaking of bandwidth, I see one thing that can be safely removed: CDs for x64 architecture. All 64-bit systems are equipped with DVDs, so 64-bit CD is a real waste. Anybody has heard of existence of 64-bit PC with CD-ROM ? -- -Alexey Eremenko "Technologov" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 4/13/07, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

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Speaking of bandwidth, I see one thing that can be safely removed: CDs for x64 architecture. All 64-bit systems are equipped with DVDs, so 64-bit CD is a real waste. Anybody has heard of existence of 64-bit PC with CD-ROM ?

Maybe not PCs, but there are 64-bit servers that don't have DVD drives.

Do you know any such servers ? All the new servers come with slim DVD-ROM built-in. -- -Alexey Eremenko "Technologov" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Adam Tauno Williams escribió:

Maybe not PCs, but there are 64-bit servers that don't have DVD drives.

of course they dont , that's because the sysadmin should not be **that** silly and will install the OS via the network instead of using this non-sense proposal of having yet another DVD, double bandwidth costs, mirror admins annoyed either retiring one ISO of the mirrors or pushing more hardware and bandwidth for it. The proponents of this idea clearly dont have a clue what having yet another DVD in the official media means. this is not your home network, it is the second most popular linux distro out there, is not that easy to scale at this proportions. please use your brain before proposing such ideas.

Oh please. Enough already with the lame excuses... there is nothing wrong with proposing an idea... in the States we call that brainstorming and its helped us come up with some pretty snazzy Yankee know-how... you know... it can't be done kind of stuff... don't ever tell me that your scaling problems are my end-all... what a sting of Bologna... scale your mirrors and upgrade your delivery system... you must know that eventually it will be *necessary* anyway... just bite the bullet and make it happen... and stop whining about it... I think Alexey has got a great idea... and except for choosing to live in one of the most volatile locations on earth, he seems a pretty smart fellow....... :)

Just because you need it doesnt mean everybody need it. If Opensuse was about to solve all use cases, we would end up with a 8 DVD set, with debug information, source, pictures of all developers, small demo videos. Then we would have a 4 DVD set with only the full tree and source. Another 2 DVD set for those wanting only full tree. Then all those dvds with and without non-oss applications. Then we would need all that in CDs, because not everybody have DVDsm lets think of everyone. So we would like a 24 CD set with everything on it (debian, anyone?). Then another set of 5 CDs, for those who like old system. Then a more compact set of 3 CDs, like it is now (but we can say its just the 3 first discs of the 5 set). But then we need a one cd, because everybody say we need it, to look like ubuntu, with one cd and crappy software selection. But then we need one CD with kde and another one with GNOME, as we want everybody happy, dont we? As we are dealing with every case, we want one with xfce and openbox too (could be the same). People also complain there should be a livecd, but siome people dont like it. Add few more cds and dvds for that too. And then lets multiply by 3 all those sets, cause we need for x86, x86-64 and ppc. I myself having used sparc boxes for some time, I kinda have feelings for them, and since we are on the demands race, I for one would like a port of all that to sparc arch. Now do you know what that mean? That we NEED lame escuses, it seems, to keep the sanity of the release. So again, if you really need, make one dvd. Teere are lots of ways f doing it, I believe people in this thread are not that dumb, google will show that. All you need to do is having to do some work, maybe host it somewhere once its done. Willing to do something, instead of simply telling people to do something is actually better than brainstorm. Its called "one step ahead" Marcio --- druid -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

M Harris wrote:

On Friday 13 April 2007 01:08, Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote:

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The proponents of this idea clearly dont have a clue what having yet another DVD in the official media means. this is not your home network, it is the second most popular linux distro out there, is not that easy to scale at this proportions. please use your brain before proposing such ideas.

Oh please. Enough already with the lame excuses... there is nothing wrong with proposing an idea... in the States we call that brainstorming and its helped us come up with some pretty snazzy Yankee know-how... you know... it can't be done kind of stuff... don't ever tell me that your scaling problems are my end-all... what a sting of Bologna... scale your mirrors and upgrade your delivery system... you must know that eventually it will be *necessary* anyway... just bite the bullet and make it happen... and stop whining about it... I think Alexey has got a great idea... and except for choosing to live in one of the most volatile locations on earth, he seems a pretty smart fellow....... :)

In all honesty I have been deleting most of this thread without reading. One thing that needs to be done is to start taking up a collection to help openSuSE buy some modern servers so they can through away their 286's. And then buy a better internet connection. I'm not rich by any means but I could chip in some. "IF" there were two DVD's, and actually I do like the idea of having two DVD's, I'm not so sure I would want to dedicate two or three days to downloading them. It's bad enough having to pray that nothing goes wrong for the twenty-some hours it takes to download one. BEFORE you start griping that my connection is slow. It IS NOT slow. On some severs I can get a 96/100kbs download speed connection. On one I actually had almost 130kbs download speed. On openSuSE I usually get about dial up speed downloads. If the problem is not on my end it must be on the other. I understand about connection loads but still ............. dial-up speeds ............ come on! They need to upgrade before they even consider doing anything about two DVD's. - - (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Alexey Eremenko wrote:

and again: If we make the 2 DVDs modular the current user's needs will still be addressed, plus adding needs of many new users around. That is, the first DVD will contain all the needed things to get you up & running.

speaking of penalties: The mirrors live up with Debian with their 240+ CDs, so if we add an extra DVD, but remove the 6 CDs for x86-64 we won't lose mirrors. Again, all 64-bit systems are equipped with DVD.

Some ppl tell me there would be a lot of penalties, so I ask what could be the penalties?

This beginning to get a bit silly, I am getting the impression the record has got stuck on the crack!... I do not see the distinction between 2 DVDs and a base install DVD plus on-line archive for online distribution. In fact in terms of bandwidth usage the latter is probably a lot more sensible, there are a lot things I do not want to use which are available, and I am not very impressed with the implicit suggestion that I should download a whole load of stuff do not want to get the stuff I need. Published CDs are a different issue (and I believe these include more anyway).

Alexey Eremenko escribió:

and again: If we make the 2 DVDs modular

Ok let's see.. Modular how ? in what way ? the current user's needs will still be

addressed,

The current user needs are already addressed, that's the reaosn why we have a single DVD and CDs.

first DVD will contain all the needed things to get you up & running.

So the first DVD ( as it is now) contains everything to get it up and running and will help you to create either your own local network mirror or a custom DVD ( google for KIWI and RTFM )

The mirrors live up with Debian with their 240+ CDs, so if we add an extra DVD,

So if debian does this stupidity means we also should make such non-sense..?? gee.... Debian shlould not be taked as a model of anything !! arghhhhh... Im sorry, but after reading all your argumentation, your idea only looks like a nice way to waste resources and will make SUSE developers to spend time in the wrong task, there are many.many more important things to do.

Kenneth Schneider wrote:

On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 06:14 -0500, Billie Erin Walsh wrote:

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In all honesty I have been deleting most of this thread without reading.

One thing that needs to be done is to start taking up a collection to help openSuSE buy some modern servers so they can through away their 286's. And then buy a better internet connection. I'm not rich by any means but I could chip in some.

"IF" there were two DVD's, and actually I do like the idea of having two DVD's, I'm not so sure I would want to dedicate two or three days to downloading them. It's bad enough having to pray that nothing goes wrong for the twenty-some hours it takes to download one.

Then why not download the delta iso's instead and save yourself a lot of time.

And just what the heck are "delta iso's"? Don't even have a clue what your talking about! - - (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Friday 13 April 2007 15:20, Billie Erin Walsh wrote:

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And just what the heck are "delta iso's"? Don't even have a clue what your talking about!

Perhaps the term "difference ISO" would be more suggestive? They're a file that tells the program "applydeltaiso" how to modify an existing ISO file to produce a new one. Hence, "delta", a commonly used mathematical term for "change."

They're useful when the changes are small by comparison to either version of the ISO file itself.

On the other hand, it often takes hours for applydeltaiso to complete!

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- - Billie Walsh

Randall Schulz

Oh. OK. I sort of understand. When I use Yast to update or install something it says "applying delta" during the install a lot of the time. Kind of like that. - - (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

The main update servers agreeably are under a lot of stress, however they are running a T3 Pipe for comms. The excuse they all give up the updates or download's Disk I/O's are pounding the servers to death. The issue is the amount of HDD I/O access I am told is the issue - this could easily be fixed by adding another 10 GIG of RAM to their Netware Server which should answer 90% requests for files from cache. Why they have-not done this I cannot imagine. With the popularity rising of the product no one is going to get nothing unless they increase their own FTP performance. Indeed any worthwhile server should be able to answer any request for file at min 80% of the time. For a company that produces the worlds arguable most technologically advanced serves in Netware I cannot understand why ANY Novell owned company can not offer better performance.

On Friday 13 April 2007 06:14, Billie Erin Walsh wrote:

"IF" there were two DVD's, and actually I do like the idea of having two DVD's, I'm not so sure I would want to dedicate two or three days to downloading them. It's bad enough having to pray that nothing goes wrong for the twenty-some hours it takes to download one.

Billie, the idea is to have boxed set (retail version) with 2 DVDs, or extra DVD available via snail mail, not more DVDs for download. Anybody with good connection can select and download rpm files from FTP server and use them locally with benefit that if something goes wrong it will affect minor number of bytes, not whole DVD. -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 4/13/07, Druid wrote:

On 4/12/07, Alexey Eremenko wrote:

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If Some people don't need two DVDs, don't interfere those who need !

Stop creating problems to other people, like a child that cant even go to the bathroom alone

The minimum you should is to know what is the situation in the topic you try to give orders. Which you dont, because you have this lazy attitude.

Of course I know, even better than you are. -- -Alexey Eremenko "Technologov" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

yeah? Can you prove?

No, but plenty of people still waiting for the 2 DVDs, instead of 1 currently. -- -Alexey Eremenko "Technologov" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Jonathan Arsenault wrote:

56K or not if you can manage to sync a 3.8GB iso file you can do the same with a RPMs directory.

as I said, the problem is to identify rpm<->dvd number to make burnig dvd easy. after that I could copy them to friends... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 12 April 2007 16:04, Jonathan Arsenault wrote:

Why not simply reverting back to having ONLY FTP and no iso at all, maybe that would shut you guys up a bit ...

But NOOOO lets pull a Debian and publish 300 iso to the point we loose half of the mirrors we have ...

56K or not if you can manage to sync a 3.8GB iso file you can do the same with a RPMs directory.

-- "Why can't humans just reboot instead of sleeping, so much wasted cycles" -Zombie Coder. Jonathan Arsenault - - http://jarpack.net

Is it so difficult to understand that we want to *purchase* the 2 DVDs in a boxed set and *not* download any full package at all? The only download required would be the delta security patches. This is what is being suggested here, that the boxed set goes back to offering all packages from the repository, as in the good old days. If offering the second DVD for download is a problem, then include it ONLY in the boxed set and all proponents and supporters of this enhancement suggestion would be happy. Carlos FL -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 14 April 2007 02:11, jdd wrote:

Carlos F Lange wrote:

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Is it so difficult to understand that we want to *purchase* the 2 DVDs in a boxed set and *not* download any full package at all?

frankly, at start it was :-) - i didn't understand that.

but I second your ask. And we could as well remove the CD in this offer. If you can buy the box (the price is not small, with postage fee), you can as well use a dvd reader (very cheap second hand nowaday - anybody use a writer). So 2,3 or 4 dvd (2 double side, why not)

may I say bulk 4.7 Gb dvd are nearly same price than cd's, I don't know for double layer, that are very expensive for me. I would better appreciate 4 single layer dvd than one double

To drop CD is good idea in different way, Why not to make that choice? Now you can order en or de version, why not to offer CD or DVD set. For me CDs are not usable, so I can skip them. That way Novell can save few bucks selling media that one wants. I bet that 2 DVDs are cheaper than 1 DVD + 6 CDs. -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos F Lange wrote:

Is it so difficult to understand that we want to *purchase* the 2 DVDs in a boxed set and *not* download any full package at all? The only download required would be the delta security patches. This is what is being suggested here, that the boxed set goes back to offering all packages from the repository, as in the good old days.

If offering the second DVD for download is a problem, then include it ONLY in the boxed set and all proponents and supporters of this enhancement suggestion would be happy.

Carlos FL

I went and looked into the boxed set last night. It does NOT contain two DVD's as some have said. It DOES contain one (1) DVD [ 32 and 64 bit versions - supposedly dual layer I assume one layer is 32 and the other is 64 ] and five *5) CD's [ 32 bit - four(4) install CD's and the "extra" CD ]. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Billy,

we want to have 2 DVDs in future, now it is as you described.

Hope you are not including Opensuse in this "we", because for exampel the dvd that with src.rpms stopped being included to save space and costs, and I remember people complaining about that. Which I kinda unnderstand, you would have 600 thousand medias and only 2 or 3 would have been used, all rest turned into freesbies Seeing this thing of having a full tree is just as a small niche as it is the niche of people who need a media with src.rpms, you might as well not be in the largest use case of people that dont need the damn medias. And I believe that to avoid creating lots of freesbies, still one should keep it simple, and stay the way it is. In fact, I can see another thread starting to complain suse should have one cd install like ubuntu, or even smaller, or 2 cd, etc etc etc. So, yes, this is still a bad idea. Marcio --- druid -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Yes, since that is a technical violation of the GPL.

Its not a violation, because it contains a link to the place where you can get the source rpms. This was discussed before. Dont make affirmatives you cant prove. You might as well take a read in the GPL text, so you can fully understand it, will improve your understanding. If it was a violation, 10.2 and 10.1 boxes would be in violation, and we would know that in a huge carnival made in slashdot and etc, and ubuntu fanboys screaming insanely running in circles, while trying to do a 360 in the neck poltergeist style. Most people in the past didnt touch the src.rpms media, usually the last two CDs or so, and the result was that there was lots of wasted medias (aka freesbies). I myself the times I needed to use src.rpms, Ive dowloaded the 3 or 4 directly from the tree Marcio --- druid -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 12 April 2007 09:26, Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote:

Distribution is already too big, and if you want all packages, buy the boxed set. otherwise this will only be a non-sense waste of resources.

Debian disagrees. Download Debian 4.0 now, all three DVD-sized ISO images. -- Cheers John Summerfield -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org