Re: [Bulk] Re: [opensuse] defrag
Anton Aylward wrote:
John Heinen said the following on 02/13/2010 02:57 PM:
Thanks, Well, what happened is that my gateway with winxp and many other tries with live cd Linux just quit, that is the lights are flashing but the screen stays dark, puppy linux is the only one that could get some life with the message "defrage please". I probably need a new hard drive or find one smart cd that can work miracles.
Curious.
I think you have hardware problems. I have a folder of LiveCDs for Linux - I seem to collect them :-) All of them work on my 3-year old Presario, a couple don't on my father's 5-year old ACER, but that only has 256K of memory :-(
Defrag WHAT?
The whole point of the LiveCD is that you run entirely from the CD. I can imagine it would DETECT whatever disk you have, but that's all. Unless you open a browser/file-manager it shouldn't take any notice of your hard drive.
Worst case - whcih is why some won't run on my father's machine - the LiveCD tries to consturct an in-memory file system. Obviously there would be no point in trying to derag that!
Linux file system don't need defrag. So where is that emssage coming from?
Are you sure you're not trying to install Linux ONTO a MS file system? I recall Mandriva and I tink Ubunttu have options for that.
Where did you get you LiveCD from? Did you checksum it
Indeed it is liggit, bought it from Discountlinux, a very reputable firm, that particular livecd puppy 431 does work fine on two other machines, with opensuse and also with ubuntu on the hard drive, and that is what it said " DEFRAG PLEASE" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 22:30:31 -0700, John Heinen wrote:
with opensuse and also with ubuntu on the hard drive, and that is what it said " DEFRAG PLEASE"
Perhaps the message is coming up in the installer? It could be that it's trying to make space with the existing Windows partitions and can't, and is asking you to use Windows to defrag the Windows partitions so it can resize them for a Linux installation. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2010-02-14 at 04:56 -0000, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 22:30:31 -0700, John Heinen wrote:
with opensuse and also with ubuntu on the hard drive, and that is what it said " DEFRAG PLEASE"
Perhaps the message is coming up in the installer? It could be that it's trying to make space with the existing Windows partitions and can't, and is asking you to use Windows to defrag the Windows partitions so it can resize them for a Linux installation.
Quite probably that's it. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkt37r8ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VONwCfcRzjCeMN42WGFyqYeNt4dILu oVYAmQG20Mlwn9t/0u86x/UDQ+MiB1tY =lAMM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. said the following on 02/14/2010 07:38 AM:
with opensuse and also with ubuntu on the hard drive, and that is what it said " DEFRAG PLEASE"
Perhaps the message is coming up in the installer? It could be that it's trying to make space with the existing Windows partitions and can't, and is asking you to use Windows to defrag the Windows partitions so it can resize them for a Linux installation.
Quite probably that's it.
Why would it do that? I have quite a number of LiveCDs from the LiveCD list and have tried running them on a number of machines, my own, those of friends and - shock!!horror - even ones in stores. I've never met this. I've tried running them on machines with the hard drive absent as part of a fault determination process and I can assure you, they don't NEED the hard drive. Yes, you can mount the old windows drive - or any other drive or partition or even a LVM partition - and open a file browser on it. You CAN. The poster does not make it clear WHERE in the process the "needs defrag" comes up, not details of the hardware environment. he does not mention which version of Puppy he uses. He does not describe the hardware that procedure this problem in adequate detail. The poster does not make it clear WHERE in the process the "needs defrag" comes up, not details of the hardware environment. I note the wikipedia entry for puppy live says that it can run totally in memory, allowing the CD to be removed. If the FS is in memory then the disk does not come into it! Yes, I realise that puppy, like other LiveCD distributions, has the ability to SAVE its state to a storage medium on exit. If that's what's going on the poster didn't make it clear. The puppy docs mention that "puppy2" "Saves ramdisk (your working files) to Flash drive every 30 minutes". Is the poster running puppy1 or puppy2? Is this message because of an initial attempt to save state? We don't have enough information. See http://puppylinux.com/development/howpuppyworks.html You'll also see there that it says: <quote> The very first time that you boot the Puppy live-CD on a computer, a personal storage file named "pup001" is created automatically. This is a problem if it gets created on, say, /dev/hda1, the "C: drive", but you want to install Puppy to that partition. Our workaround was a menu with boot option to not create pup001 and just run in ramdisk. </quote> Is this what the poster was running into - without mentioning it? In which case there are some "solutions" 1. "Don't Do that!" take the menu option not to create pup001 2. "Don't Do That!" use puppy2 instead of puppy1 3. "Don't Do that!" download and burn some other liveCD from http://www.LiveCD.com Since I have a folder full of LiveCDs and have never met this problem, I wonder if its simply lack of experience with the varieties of Linux and lack of experiences with problem diagnostics. Quite possibly I've run into something LIKE this and not noticed it because I'm so use to dealing with Linux and oddities of hardware. -- Echelon appears to work very much like a Web search engine, except that instead of searching Web pages it searches through the world's phone and data network traffic in real time. -- Ross Anderson, _Security Engineering_ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 14 February 2010 14:09:40 Anton Aylward wrote:
Since I have a folder full of LiveCDs and have never met this problem, I wonder if its simply lack of experience with the varieties of Linux and lack of experiences with problem diagnostics. Quite possibly I've run into something LIKE this and not noticed it because I'm so use to dealing with Linux and oddities of hardware.
If you install openSUSE on a machine which already has a windows partition taking up the whole disk, the install wants to shrink that windows partition to make room for the new linux partitions(s), and to shrink a partition, it should be defragmented first, to avoid its taking a very long time, and to avoid risk of corrupting the windows partition. Yes there is a way of running linux from a file on a windows partition, but you normally don't want to do that And yes, if all you want to do is to run a live CD, then none of this is necessary. Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Anders Johansson said the following on 02/14/2010 08:20 AM:
If you install openSUSE on a machine which already has a windows partition taking up the whole disk, the install wants to shrink that windows partition to make room for the new linux partitions(s), and to shrink a partition, it should be defragmented first, to avoid its taking a very long time, and to avoid risk of corrupting the windows partition.
Good point! The OP has been terse and didbn't say if he was trying to INSTALL or not.
Yes there is a way of running linux from a file on a windows partition, but you normally don't want to do that
:-) !!
And yes, if all you want to do is to run a live CD, then none of this is necessary.
Which makes me wonder. The OP has been very terse about what he's actually doing - the hardware, why Puppy, which version, option he's taken ... -- The quality of a leader is reflected in the standards they set for themselves. -- Ray Kroc, Founder of McDonald's -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2010-02-14 at 08:09 -0500, Anton Aylward wrote:
Carlos E. R. said the following on 02/14/2010 07:38 AM:
Perhaps the message is coming up in the installer? It could be that it's trying to make space with the existing Windows partitions and can't, and is asking you to use Windows to defrag the Windows partitions so it can resize them for a Linux installation.
Quite probably that's it.
Why would it do that? I have quite a number of LiveCDs from the LiveCD list and have tried running them on a number of machines, my own, those of friends and - shock!!horror - even ones in stores. I've never met this.
It is not a live. He said: ] How do I know when and how to defrag my computer with open suse , or ] don't I have to worry about it? Not puppy, but suse. Later he said. ] Indeed it is liggit, bought it from Discountlinux, a very reputable ] firm, that particular livecd puppy 431 does work fine on two other ] machines, with opensuse and also with ubuntu on the hard drive, and that ] is what it said " DEFRAG PLEASE" A paragraph that I don't understand at all. The only place I have seen linux complaining about the need to defrag, is while installing on a existing windows partition which is going to be shrinked. So, our collective crystal ball says that he is doing an installation on hd with windows. But we do not know for sure. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkt4ewkACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WiuACfYZmmA1QD4KlvcpTOA+9PVs+x pqoAnR/VOQ+u1kMREP5TTonr0DefoobF =1Bhw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Anders Johansson
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Anton Aylward
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Carlos E. R.
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Jim Henderson
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John Heinen