On 10/15/05, Raoul Snyman wrote:

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Maura Edelweiss Monville wrote: | I'm desperately trying to create some Power Point slides on my new | laptop running SuSE 9.3 | I downloaded CrossOver and click on "install Microsoft Office XP" after | inserting the CD containing MS Office XP in the CD drive.

don't bother with m$ office. if you look on your computer, you should already have openoffice.org installed, the free, powerful alternative to m$ office. it has a presentation tool called "impress".

No, she has OpenOffice and she does use it, but the problem is that she works in collaberation with other people on presentations. And the other people all have MS Office. I have tested one of these presentations in OOo and it screws it up. Once you have made changes to it in OOo, and send it back to the other people, then everything is out of place for them, so they move if back in place and when you get it, it is out of place again. The different interpretations and availability of fonts are also a problem. No, she needs to use MS PowerPoint in order to collaberate with the other people. I suggested to her to run PowerPoint under Crossover, but now it seems that installing MS Office XP have a number of issues. I have only worked with older versions of MS Office under Crossover and it worked fine. -- Andre Truter | Software Engineer | Registered Linux user #185282 ICQ #40935899 | AIM: trusoftzaf | http://www.trusoft.za.org ~ A dinosaur is a salamander designed to Mil Spec ~

On 10/15/05, Bernd wrote:

Andre, Maura,

If your page settings are the same between work and home (i.e. margins, tabs, page size, grid resolution and subdivisions and snap, etc.), and you are using common fonts and standard non-custom colors, your layouts should be the same no matter where you view, edit, or present that file.

The problem would be easier if you started out the presentation in OOo and used all standard components, but the problem is if you are part of a 10 person workgroup that collaborate on a presentation and the other 9 have MS Office and no clue about OOo and standards, etc. Now, try to convince them to only use standard fonts, etc, just so that one person can use OOo. Thy will probably just ignore you and a lot of people won't even know how to configure PowerPoint to use different fonts and settings. You cannot expect the whole group to customise thier PowerPoint just so that one person can use OOo. They will just tell you to get MS Office like they do. -- Andre Truter | Software Engineer | Registered Linux user #185282 ICQ #40935899 | AIM: trusoftzaf | http://www.trusoft.za.org ~ A dinosaur is a salamander designed to Mil Spec ~

I've used OO a lot of times and also StarOffice which ia equivalent. I've used these packages on SuSE 9.1 I know they both have a ppt output but out of that ppt output only the text is kept the same when loaded by PowerPoint. I have plenty of math expression that use greek symbols. Those are completely screwed up. I do hope OO has been improved , made more compatible with MS Office in SuSE9.3. Sine I'vespent the whole night and 1/2 of today trying to make CrossOver install MS Office XP, following Mr.White's guidelines (he is CodeWeavers staff), and have made no progress whatsoever, I'm prone to dispose of CrossOver and five the new OO a try. To this purpose I would appreciate if someone could help me figure out how to get all the infor about the page size, font type and size, symbols matrix etc ... out of PowerPoint. Then I'll try to force the same setup on OO .. assuming it's easy to do .. Where can I download the MS fonts ? How shall I install on OO ? I mean how can I get OO using the downloaded fonts ? Is the OO coming with SuSE 9.3 the latest version or shall I upgrade it ? If this iis the case, how can I updgrade it ? Thank you so much. Regards, maura Bernd wrote:

On Saturday 15 October 2005 02:36, Andre Truter wrote:

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On 10/15/05, Bernd wrote:

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Andre, Maura,

If your page settings are the same between work and home (i.e. margins, tabs, page size, grid resolution and subdivisions and snap, etc.), and you are using common fonts and standard non-custom colors, your layouts should be the same no matter where you view, edit, or present that file.

The problem would be easier if you started out the presentation in OOo and used all standard components, but the problem is if you are part of a 10 person workgroup that collaborate on a presentation and the other 9 have MS Office and no clue about OOo and standards, etc.

Now, try to convince them to only use standard fonts, etc, just so that one person can use OOo. Thy will probably just ignore you and a lot of people won't even know how to configure PowerPoint to use different fonts and settings.

You cannot expect the whole group to customise thier PowerPoint just so that one person can use OOo. They will just tell you to get MS Office like they do.

That's why I suggested finding out what others are using in PowerPoint =First=, then making necessary adjustments in OOo. The other 9 people are more than likely not going to individually go out, one finding font #127 at fonts-r-us, another getting font #1512 at the-joy-of-fonts.com, etc. Doubtful that one of the nine is going to have their page margins set at 2.325, and another at 1.70. It -is- a collaberation, and therefore they all have to agree on the layout. When I said common fonts, I meant fonts that are in common with the others working on the project. If the 9 like Trebuchet, then Maura needs to use that font, not Vivaldi Script. If she doesn't have it, a ton of Microsoft fonts are available for download through Yast Online Update, as well as other places.

If it takes her 20 minutes to initially find out what the others have for their layout and quickly make those changes in OpenOffice Impress, with a question here and there along the way, it might be worth it to stick with OOo. Another option is to dump linux altogether, purchase the exact same versions of MS Windows and MS Office as all of the others, spending the countless dollars and hours to do so.

Maura, don't shy away from using OpenOffice too soon. If you truly need to collaberate with Microsoft users in creating documents on an ongoing basis, then creating a dual boot system might be the best way to go. That way, you can use MS right away, and learn how to make your linux programs work with MS documents over time.

Good Luck!

Bernd

On Saturday 15 October 2005 14:53, Maura Edelweiss Monville wrote: <snippage>

I have plenty of math expression that use greek symbols. Those are completely screwed up.

This is can be a character set issue *and* a font issue.

I do hope OO has been improved , made more compatible with MS Office in SuSE9.3.

You *do* know that OOo is independently produced, don't you? SUSE provides a Linux-based platform for OOo to run on in much the same way that M$ provides it's NT-based platforms for, say, Photoshop or Acrobat to run on. You can upgrade your OS and it will not automatically upgrade your photo editing or word processor packages, right? Same thing. In any event, I'm pretty sure the latest greatest stable version of OOo will be installed by 9.3 using the YOU update system. If I'm wrong, no doubt I'll be corrected ;-)

Sine I'vespent the whole night and 1/2 of today trying to make CrossOver install MS Office XP, following Mr.White's guidelines (he is CodeWeavers staff), and have made no progress whatsoever, I'm prone to dispose of CrossOver and five the new OO a try.

Good choice. Maybe a good first test project would chart the relationship between your typing accuracy and amount of sleep! ;-)

To this purpose I would appreciate if someone could help me figure out how to get all the infor about the page size, font type and size, symbols matrix etc ... out of PowerPoint. Then I'll try to force the same setup on OO .. assuming it's easy to do ..

If you're collaborating with others, someone should be controlling a "master" document where global settings like paper size, orientation, margins, headers and footers, fonts, graphics resolution and color pallete, etc. are locked in. As work progresses, all of your (plural) individual edits and additions are merged back into the master. Ideally, when Impress first opens such a document it should import and adhere to those settings and a) not allow you to change them, or b) give you the option to lock them down so you won't inadvertently change them. If it contains fonts that aren't available on your system, it should automatically try to use the closest matches it can find without actually changing the document settings... as a convenience, so editing can continue. But it is up to you to install the fonts you need so you can view and work (i.e. "collaborate") effectively.

Where can I download the MS fonts ?

Google is your friend. I'm not being /smart/... I'd end up doing the same thing to answer your question. It would be faster to confirm with the document 'owner' what fonts are being used, then searching specifically for those.

How shall I install on OO ? I mean how can I get OO using the downloaded fonts ?

When you find and download the fonts you need, there is a function built into KDE Control Center that lets you easily install them. Do some poking around there, it's not hard to find or use.

Is the OO coming with SuSE 9.3 the latest version or shall I upgrade it ? If this iis the case, how can I updgrade it ?

Answered above

Thank you so much.

You're welcome. regards, - Carl

Graham Smith wrote:

you can get the latest OOo 2.0 RC2 (I think that is the latest) from http://www.openoffice.org go to the download page and select the 2.0 version.

NOTE: OOo 2.0 was due to be released last Friday but was held over for a bug fix. I do not know what the bug was but I haven't had any problems using RC1.

If you have the SuSE 1.95 version installed I suggest removing it with YAST before installing the newer version.

Please note: It seems that something (maybe XML) is causing spreadsheet docs made on 1.9.# and saved by it will not load. Like I say this maybe a SuSE10 Beta 4 issue. Thet is because it seems to happen with all version now. The error is: Error creating a new document: Read-Error. Format error discovered in the file sub-document content.xml at 2,5997(row,col). -- 73 de Donn Washburn Hpage:" http://www.hal-pc.org/~n5xwb " Ham Callsign N5XWB Email: " n5xwb@hal-pc.org " 307 Savoy St. HAMs : " n5xwb@arrl.net " Sugar Land, TX 77478 BMW MOA #: 4146 - Ambassador LL# 1.281.242.3256 " http://counter.li.org " #279316

Where can I download the MS fonts ? How shall I install on OO ? I mean how can I get OO using the downloaded fonts ? Is the OO coming with SuSE 9.3 the latest version or shall I upgrade it ? If this iis the case, how can I updgrade it ?

Maura, The OOo version that came with SuSE 9.3, should be fine enough, especially if you're not familiar with installing tar packages. The version that I have is 1.9.125-4.1. Also in Yast Online Update is an option to start a script to download and install Microsoft fonts. You may have installed them already. If not then, open up YOU to do an online update and look for the patch called "Download Microsoft® TrueType Core Fonts". You will download and install these fonts into your system. They will be immediately accessible to OpenOffice the next time you open it up. If your group is using other fonts that are not included in that download, search for them online, then let us know if you need help with the install. Read Carl's post for other suggestions. Let us know if you need help beyond that. Take Care, Bernd

Catimimi wrote:

Maura Edelweiss Monville a écrit :

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I'm desperately trying to create some Power Point slides on my new laptop running SuSE 9.3 I downloaded CrossOver and click on "install Microsoft Office XP" after inserting the CD containing MS Office XP in the CD drive.

If I choose installation from CD_ROM /media/dvdrecorder and then click on 'Next >>' a window message pops up which reads: "We have tested your Linux CD drive configuration for compatibility with Windows CD-ROMs. This is necessary because some Windows CD-ROMs are not compatible with every Linux configuration. Unfortunately we found one or more problems with your CD drive configuration. Select 'Details' to learn more about the problems or 'Fix' to have CrossOver help you fix the problems"

Then I click on 'Details" . Another message pops up that reads: (*) "We have tested your Linux CD drive configuration for compatibility with Windows CD-ROMs. Unfortunately only root can access the device file '/media/dvdrecorder'. This means that we were unable to determine whether or not your Linux system is compatible with this CD-ROM. If you select the 'Fix' option we will mark this device as readable and retry this test."

I click on 'Fix' and a window pops up taht carries the following: "We need to make the following devices world readable: /media/dvdrecorder Do you want to meke the above modifications? [y/N]"

I enter "y". The following appears in the window: "CrossOver will noe -change your cdrom device permissions su -c "chmod ugo+r /media/dvdrecorder" Please enter the root password:"

I eneter the root password and the initial message , that I marked (*) , pops up again ! THIS IS A VICIOUS CIRCLE also called a DEADLOCK or IMPASSE !!!!

I noted that Konqueror pops up showing the contents of the CD. That is it lists the contents of the directory: '/media/OFFICE10' I tried alternatively to install by choosing on the crossOver interface "Alternative CD-ROM location" and then selecting "/media/OFFICE10" but thsi brings me back to the above described loop (*) ... the DEADLOCK again !

I tried the lst option "Other .exe file" and tried selecting each one of the three .exe files cotained in /media/OFFICE10 If I choose "setup.exe" the system asks me for some Windows files that it cannot find and I think it tries to download MS Explorer 5/0 from the network ... SHOULD I connect my laptop to the network ???? If I choose "/media/OFFICE10/instmsi.exe" it tells me "Windows installer Set up completed successfully" Then I click on OK ... amessage pops up "simulating Windows reboot" and something is rea from the CD as I see the led on.. but then another massage appears "The installation of MicroSoft Office XP failed" If I choose "/media/OFFICE10/instmsiw.exe" a message appears that reads "ERROR" " An error occurred running the installation program"

At this point I GIVE UP ! I think I'm better off replacing SuSE woith Windows to be ready with my slides for December graduation !

Maura

Hello,

I won't tell you to use OpenOffice.org which works very well, but I'll try try to help you. I've Cxoffice Pro 4.2 rpm and I installed Office XP without any problem. Your difficulties can come from two different points :

- did you install cxoffice with the rpm or with the installer ? the installations can be different ! with the installer you can choose between "user mode" and "private multi-user mode" and after you don't have the same rights to install applications ! look at the cxoffice documentation. - what are the permissions group and owner for your dvdrecorder device ? mine is root:disk drwxr-xr-x and I belong to group disk

Good luck

Michel.

Actually mine is a trial CrossOver version that I downloaded from the network and then I just launched the installing script which is a ".sh" file" following the web listed guidellines. It is stated in writing that the trial version is the whole professional package ... shall I trust them ??? I don't think it asked me about the different installations modalities ... In both my computers (desktop and laptop) i only have root and 1 user. I remember having downloaded and installed this trial CrossOver as user. The access right to the /media/dvdrecorder are "drwxr-xr-x" As I said it looks like CrossOver tries to change the CD access rights but for some reason after doing that (it does not say anything about the success/failure of this operation) it goes back to the same starting message . Every time I click on 'Fix' it attempts to do something but then it represents the same error message again ... it's like the "goose tour". I think I cannot do anything else than notify the CrossOver distributor about this problem and if there is no fast solution I'll turn to Windows. Thank you, Maura

One thing might be to determine if the hardware is indeed well or not. Boot into rescue mode, then run the smartctl utility to see if your disk knows if it's well or sick. Try something like: smartctl -a /dev/hda That should tell you about what's happening right now. After that, maybe run a short self test: smartctl -t short /dev/hda Then report the results of the test using the -a version of the command (tests probably take a minute or two to run). Of course, you might want to use dd to image the drive elsewhere before you let it spin much longer. Like before you test anything or make any other attempts to use fsck and the like. BTW, drives do fail early. I've had _two_ 160GB drives die at less than four months old. It seems that the modern high density drives are optimised (from an engineering viewpoint--that is "made cheaply" :) for low duty cycles. So, if you're a windoze user who shuts down most of the time, you're good, but if you run in a server-like mode running all the time, you might be less so. I had a motor burn out on the first drive, and the seek mechanism failed on the second. Not nice. Now I run smartd, RAID-1, and mdadm --monitor so I should have a good chance of surviving the next (presumably imminent!) failure :) HTH Simon --- skyefire@skyefire.org wrote:

Well, this is a fun one. I have NO idea what happened. Last night, while I was in the process of backing up my latest group of downloaded files on my 9.2Pro box, the whole machine locked up. Absolutely nothing worked to get a response -- eventually I had to bite the bullet and kill main power. Unfortunately, on reboot every partition on hda came up with unrecoverable reiserfs errors. Even running reiserfsck manually didn't do a bit of good. It kept telling me that "it looks like a h/w problem." Now, this drive is pretty new, and had not a single warning sign of impending problems before this happened, so I'm skeptical. But since I'm working 80-90hrs/wk right now, I don't have time to fight with this thing -- I need it back up and running. Since I have most of my data backed up, I'm leaning towards simply re-installing 9.2 from scratch and seeing what happens. But, being on the end of a *slow* internet connection, I'd rather not lose my most recent downloads. The problem is, my /home partition is encrypted, and that's where the files I want to recover are. A quick attempt with my Knoppix 3.9 CD showed hda2 as being empty, which didn't make any sense. I haven't tried running my SuSE CD in recovery mode, yet. But it raises a question: just how *do* you go about recovering information from an encrypted partition? I'd expected Knoppix to prompt me for my password when I tried to mount /dev/hda2, but instead it mounted and showed the partition as empty. Weird.

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