[opensuse] Moving to IPv6 - which hardware?
Maybe we should get this thread back on track and focus on IPv6 - we've recently upgraded to LANCOM DSL modem, which unfortunately does not (yet?) support IPv6. Unless LANCOM brings out IPv6 support in the next year or so, my intention is to set it up in bridging mode (RFC1483) and run pppd/pppoe on my gateway. It's not an entirely trivial exercise, last time I attempted it, I stumbled over something in openSUSEs pppd setup that didn't work. There is a bug report on it, but I didn't have the time to investigate it any further, so it was closed. One alternative would be different hardware - wrt professional xDSL routers, what is out there that excplicitly supports IPv6? (no Ciscos and no Zyxels, please). -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.3°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Per Jessen wrote:
Maybe we should get this thread back on track and focus on IPv6 - we've recently upgraded to LANCOM DSL modem, which unfortunately does not (yet?) support IPv6. Unless LANCOM brings out IPv6 support in the next year or so, my intention is to set it up in bridging mode (RFC1483) and run pppd/pppoe on my gateway. It's not an entirely trivial exercise, last time I attempted it, I stumbled over something in openSUSEs pppd setup that didn't work. There is a bug report on it, but I didn't have the time to investigate it any further, so it was closed. One alternative would be different hardware - wrt professional xDSL routers, what is out there that excplicitly supports IPv6? (no Ciscos and no Zyxels, please).
D-Link has some models, such as the DIR-825, that support IPv6, including 6in4 tunneling. However, I haven't used one, so I have no idea about the details. What's wrong with Cisco? They're one of the leaders in providing IPv6 support. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2010/09/11 07:41 (GMT-0400) James Knott composed:
D-Link has some models, such as the DIR-825, that support IPv6, including 6in4 tunneling. However, I haven't used one, so I have no idea about the details.
1 year warranty in a marketplace with competing products offering 2 year, 3 year, 5 year or longer? I wouldn't buy a brand with so little confidence in its products. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Felix Miata wrote:
1 year warranty in a marketplace with competing products offering 2 year, 3 year, 5 year or longer? I wouldn't buy a brand with so little confidence in its products. If you want long warranties, go with the industrial level gear. They tend to be at least 5 years. I've even seen 20 years on some.
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On 2010/09/11 15:51 (GMT-0400) James Knott composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
1 year warranty in a marketplace with competing products offering 2 year, 3 year, 5 year or longer? I wouldn't buy a brand with so little confidence in its products.
If you want long warranties, go with the industrial level gear. They tend to be at least 5 years. I've even seen 20 years on some.
By "competing products" I was referring to similarity in features and price, particularly as regards products sold for $200 or less. From Cisco/Linksys & D-Link I've seen only 1 year warranties, while from Belkin & Netgear I've seen a minimum of 3 year, with more on no small number. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
James Knott wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
1 year warranty in a marketplace with competing products offering 2 year, 3 year, 5 year or longer? I wouldn't buy a brand with so little confidence in its products.
If you want long warranties, go with the industrial level gear.
Where the selection is minimal if you exclude Cisco. :-( I even went to have a look at Adtran like you suggested, but access to their datasheets requires registration, and Adtran seems to be a little US-centric? (several products mention "Industry-leading five-year North American warranty"). -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.8°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
James Knott wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
Maybe we should get this thread back on track and focus on IPv6 - we've recently upgraded to LANCOM DSL modem, which unfortunately does not (yet?) support IPv6. Unless LANCOM brings out IPv6 support in the next year or so, my intention is to set it up in bridging mode (RFC1483) and run pppd/pppoe on my gateway. It's not an entirely trivial exercise, last time I attempted it, I stumbled over something in openSUSEs pppd setup that didn't work. There is a bug report on it, but I didn't have the time to investigate it any further, so it was closed. One alternative would be different hardware - wrt professional xDSL routers, what is out there that excplicitly supports IPv6? (no Ciscos and no Zyxels, please).
D-Link has some models, such as the DIR-825, that support IPv6, including 6in4 tunneling.
Not really what I consider professional equipment. Must be rack mountable too.
However, I haven't used one, so I have no idea about the details. What's wrong with Cisco? They're one of the leaders in providing IPv6 support.
Very pricey and very complex to configure (last I looked). -- Per Jessen, Zürich (18.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Per Jessen wrote:
James Knott wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
Maybe we should get this thread back on track and focus on IPv6 - we've recently upgraded to LANCOM DSL modem, which unfortunately does not (yet?) support IPv6. Unless LANCOM brings out IPv6 support in the next year or so, my intention is to set it up in bridging mode (RFC1483) and run pppd/pppoe on my gateway. It's not an entirely trivial exercise, last time I attempted it, I stumbled over something in openSUSEs pppd setup that didn't work. There is a bug report on it, but I didn't have the time to investigate it any further, so it was closed. One alternative would be different hardware - wrt professional xDSL routers, what is out there that excplicitly supports IPv6? (no Ciscos and no Zyxels, please).
D-Link has some models, such as the DIR-825, that support IPv6, including 6in4 tunneling.
Not really what I consider professional equipment. Must be rack mountable too.
However, I haven't used one, so I have no idea about the details. What's wrong with Cisco? They're one of the leaders in providing IPv6 support.
Very pricey and very complex to configure (last I looked).
Okay, it's obviously been a while since I last looked, Cisco prices seem to have come down a bit. A Cisco 886 looks like a reasonable suggestion. That just leaves the configuration complexity, which I still think is a significant hurdle. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (19.6°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Per Jessen wrote:
Very pricey and very complex to configure (last I looked).
Okay, it's obviously been a while since I last looked, Cisco prices seem to have come down a bit. A Cisco 886 looks like a reasonable suggestion. That just leaves the configuration complexity, which I still think is a significant hurdle.
Cisco gear and similar is complex to configure, because they can do so much more than consumer level gear. I have a lot of experience with Adtran, which is similar to Cisco and it can do stuff home users can't even dream about. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
James Knott wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
Very pricey and very complex to configure (last I looked).
Okay, it's obviously been a while since I last looked, Cisco prices seem to have come down a bit. A Cisco 886 looks like a reasonable suggestion. That just leaves the configuration complexity, which I still think is a significant hurdle.
Cisco gear and similar is complex to configure, because they can do so much more than consumer level gear. I have a lot of experience with Adtran, which is similar to Cisco and it can do stuff home users can't even dream about.
Sure, but for me that doesn't change anything. My needs are simple - IPv4+6, ADSL over ISDN, preferably firewall, bandwidth management and ISDN dial-backup. Apart from IPv6, consumer level devices satisfy those quite easily, but they are not reliable. The LANCOM box I've got now is reliably built, rack mounted, meets those requirement except .... IPv6. It's even affordable, I think it was about EUR400 including the rackmount kit. Well, one of these days I'll have to try out the bridging again. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.1°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Per Jessen wrote:
The LANCOM box I've got now is reliably built, rack mounted, meets those requirement except .... IPv6. It's even affordable, I think it was about EUR400 including the rackmount kit.
Correction, EUR480. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Per Jessen wrote:
Not really what I consider professional equipment. Must be rack mountable too.
Then you'll want industrial level equipment from Cisco, Adtran etc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 09/11/2010 04:41 AM, James Knott wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
Maybe we should get this thread back on track and focus on IPv6 - we've recently upgraded to LANCOM DSL modem, which unfortunately does not (yet?) support IPv6. Unless LANCOM brings out IPv6 support in the next year or so, my intention is to set it up in bridging mode (RFC1483) and run pppd/pppoe on my gateway. It's not an entirely trivial exercise, last time I attempted it, I stumbled over something in openSUSEs pppd setup that didn't work. There is a bug report on it, but I didn't have the time to investigate it any further, so it was closed. One alternative would be different hardware - wrt professional xDSL routers, what is out there that excplicitly supports IPv6? (no Ciscos and no Zyxels, please).
D-Link has some models, such as the DIR-825, that support IPv6, including 6in4 tunneling. However, I haven't used one, so I have no idea about the details. What's wrong with Cisco? They're one of the leaders in providing IPv6 support.
The dearth of recommendations of suitable hardware may point to the biggest reason that ipv6 is only slowly being adopted. I'm sure there must be more than just two providers of hardware, but perhaps when the principal ipv6 advocate on this list (a collection of geeks) can only come up with two, THAT says something about why things are slow. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 9/11/2010 2:21 PM, jsa wrote:
I'm sure there must be more than just two providers of hardware, but perhaps when the principal ipv6 advocate on this list (a collection of geeks) can only come up with two, THAT says something about why things are slow.
Perhaps it rather just indicates that smart geeks don't waste their time being other peoples personal google secretary? Especially for free. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Maybe we should get this thread back on track and focus on IPv6 - we've recently upgraded to LANCOM DSL modem, which unfortunately does not (yet?) support IPv6. Unless LANCOM brings out IPv6 support in the next year or so, my intention is to set it up in bridging mode (RFC1483) and run pppd/pppoe on my gateway. It's not an entirely trivial exercise, last time I attempted it, I stumbled over something in openSUSEs pppd setup that didn't work. There is a bug report on it, but I didn't have the time to investigate it any further, so it was closed. One alternative would be different hardware - wrt professional xDSL routers, what is out there that excplicitly supports IPv6? (no Ciscos and no Zyxels, please).
If the device is flashable some 3rd party products may work.. see http://www.dd-wrt.com/site/index as an example... - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkyLifYACgkQasN0sSnLmgKC8QCdHdmRIKGUaL1baRdDJUMt5ZN3 CekAoL2AhWqCMGf2mkG99fSUkUSdFdv5 =qv6T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
G T Smith wrote:
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Per Jessen wrote:
Maybe we should get this thread back on track and focus on IPv6 - we've recently upgraded to LANCOM DSL modem, which unfortunately does not (yet?) support IPv6. Unless LANCOM brings out IPv6 support in the next year or so, my intention is to set it up in bridging mode (RFC1483) and run pppd/pppoe on my gateway. It's not an entirely trivial exercise, last time I attempted it, I stumbled over something in openSUSEs pppd setup that didn't work. There is a bug report on it, but I didn't have the time to investigate it any further, so it was closed. One alternative would be different hardware - wrt professional xDSL routers, what is out there that excplicitly supports IPv6? (no Ciscos and no Zyxels, please).
If the device is flashable some 3rd party products may work..
see
http://www.dd-wrt.com/site/index
as an example...
Are there others out there? The box is flashable, but it's not listed as supported. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (21.4°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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G T Smith wrote:
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Per Jessen wrote:
Maybe we should get this thread back on track and focus on IPv6 - we've recently upgraded to LANCOM DSL modem, which unfortunately does not (yet?) support IPv6. Unless LANCOM brings out IPv6 support in the next year or so, my intention is to set it up in bridging mode (RFC1483) and run pppd/pppoe on my gateway. It's not an entirely trivial exercise, last time I attempted it, I stumbled over something in openSUSEs pppd setup that didn't work. There is a bug report on it, but I didn't have the time to investigate it any further, so it was closed. One alternative would be different hardware - wrt professional xDSL routers, what is out there that excplicitly supports IPv6? (no Ciscos and no Zyxels, please).
If the device is flashable some 3rd party products may work..
see
http://www.dd-wrt.com/site/index
as an example...
Are there others out there? The box is flashable, but it's not listed as supported.
A quick check reveals... http://www.polarcloud.com/tomato http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1214729.html http://openwrt.org/ I have no idea of what they are compatible with.. - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkyOHBQACgkQasN0sSnLmgKF8wCeMPqR7dQB90zbitGuMH+Nw/09 bAAAoM1T+8BZc6sjS7MLYENILNHY0Kxi =RAyD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2010-09-11 at 12:59 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
what is out there that excplicitly supports IPv6?
According to my isp: AVM 7270, 7340, 7570, Draytek Vigor 2130n icm Vigor 120 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hans Witvliet wrote:
On Sat, 2010-09-11 at 12:59 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
what is out there that excplicitly supports IPv6?
According to my isp: AVM 7270, 7340, 7570,
Yeah, those are the Fritz! boxes, clearly consumer devices, and AFAICT, none of their datasheets explicitly say "IPv6 supported". (it looks like software updates are available via Fritz! Lab though)
Draytek Vigor 2130n icm Vigor 120
The datasheet does explicitly say IPv6, that's certainly progress, but otherwise they're consumer devices. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.4°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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