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Abram B Olson

31 Mar 2005 31 Mar '05

02:04

So, both mozilla and firefox have really enormous fonts, not in the webpages but in the applications themselves. I've spent about an hour trying to fix this by adjusting the font sizes in both the applications and in the kde preferences but nothing changes the enormoun fonts. Anyone who can help will have my eternal gratitude ;-) Abe

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Felix Miata

31 Mar 31 Mar

03:02

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Abram B Olson wrote:

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So, both mozilla and firefox have really enormous fonts, not in the webpages but in the applications themselves. I've spent about an hour trying to fix this by adjusting the font sizes in both the applications and in the kde preferences but nothing changes the enormoun fonts. Anyone who can help will have my eternal gratitude ;-)

The only way to know what you mean by "enormous" is give us a link to a screenshot showing the problem, but see generally: http://www.mozilla.org/unix/dpi.html -- "In everything, do to others what you would have them do to you." Matthew 7:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/

Abram B Olson

06:38

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Ok sure. There is nothing wrong with the fonts in the pages that firefox displays. The problem is in the application inself. You can see a screenshot here: http://70.56.94.211/snapshot1.png http://70.56.94.211/snapshot2.png You can see that the font in the mozilla menu are very large in comparison to the fonts in thunderbird and the kde desktop. Abe Felix Miata wrote:

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Abram B Olson wrote:

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So, both mozilla and firefox have really enormous fonts, not in the webpages but in the applications themselves. I've spent about an hour trying to fix this by adjusting the font sizes in both the applications and in the kde preferences but nothing changes the enormoun fonts. Anyone who can help will have my eternal gratitude ;-)

The only way to know what you mean by "enormous" is give us a link to a screenshot showing the problem, but see generally: http://www.mozilla.org/unix/dpi.html

Kevanf1

08:56

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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:38:45 -0800, Abram B Olson wrote:

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Ok sure. There is nothing wrong with the fonts in the pages that firefox displays. The problem is in the application inself.

You can see a screenshot here: http://70.56.94.211/snapshot1.png http://70.56.94.211/snapshot2.png

You can see that the font in the mozilla menu are very large in comparison to the fonts in thunderbird and the kde desktop.

Abe

Felix Miata wrote:

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Abram B Olson wrote:

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So, both mozilla and firefox have really enormous fonts, not in the webpages but in the applications themselves. I've spent about an hour trying to fix this by adjusting the font sizes in both the applications and in the kde preferences but nothing changes the enormoun fonts. Anyone who can help will have my eternal gratitude ;-)

The only way to know what you mean by "enormous" is give us a link to a screenshot showing the problem, but see generally: http://www.mozilla.org/unix/dpi.html

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Hmmm, this is rather puzzling. From the screenshots you have submitted everything looks fine to me. Is it just me? -- Take care. Kevan Farmer 34 Hill Street Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR

Joe Morris (NTM)

13:50

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Kevanf1 wrote:

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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:38:45 -0800, Abram B Olson wrote:

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Ok sure. There is nothing wrong with the fonts in the pages that firefox displays. The problem is in the application inself.

You can see a screenshot here: http://70.56.94.211/snapshot1.png http://70.56.94.211/snapshot2.png

You can see that the font in the mozilla menu are very large in comparison to the fonts in thunderbird and the kde desktop.

Hmmm, this is rather puzzling. From the screenshots you have submitted everything looks fine to me. Is it just me? They look fine to me as well. Do you have gconf2 installed? -- Joe Morris New Tribes Mission Email Address: Joe_Morris@ntm.org Registered Linux user 231871

Abram B Olson

16:37

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When you are sitting here in front of my monitor, the fonts in firefox's menus look about twice as big (and maybe bold?) as the fonts in other applications menus. They realy stand out because all of the other applications fit together so well. Abe Kevanf1 wrote:

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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:38:45 -0800, Abram B Olson wrote:

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Ok sure. There is nothing wrong with the fonts in the pages that firefox displays. The problem is in the application inself.

You can see a screenshot here: http://70.56.94.211/snapshot1.png http://70.56.94.211/snapshot2.png

You can see that the font in the mozilla menu are very large in comparison to the fonts in thunderbird and the kde desktop.

Abe

Felix Miata wrote:

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Abram B Olson wrote:

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So, both mozilla and firefox have really enormous fonts, not in the webpages but in the applications themselves. I've spent about an hour trying to fix this by adjusting the font sizes in both the applications and in the kde preferences but nothing changes the enormoun fonts. Anyone who can help will have my eternal gratitude ;-)

The only way to know what you mean by "enormous" is give us a link to a screenshot showing the problem, but see generally: http://www.mozilla.org/unix/dpi.html

-- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com

Hmmm, this is rather puzzling. From the screenshots you have submitted everything looks fine to me. Is it just me?

Randall R Schulz

15:06

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Abe, On Wednesday 30 March 2005 22:38, Abram B Olson wrote:

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Ok sure. There is nothing wrong with the fonts in the pages that firefox displays. The problem is in the application inself.

You can see a screenshot here: http://70.56.94.211/snapshot1.png http://70.56.94.211/snapshot2.png

You can see that the font in the mozilla menu are very large in comparison to the fonts in thunderbird and the kde desktop.

Menu font sizes are controlled by Gnome settings (Firefox is a GTK2-based program). It could be either the font options chosen in the Gnome configuration or Gnome could be using an inappropriate display DPI, which in turn is causing proper font point sizes to be turned into incorrect pixel sizes. And get that security update installed.

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Abe

Randall Schulz

Abram B Olson

16:45

New subject: [SLE] really big fonts in mozilla and firefox AND how to install gnome

Ok this sounds likeit might be the (an) answer. I looked through the package list of installed programs and gconf2 is installed but gnome is not. So, since I like gnome, I'll install it and try adjusting the fonts and dpi in the gnome configuration settings. Whats the easiest way to install gnome? I saw that there is a sort of meta-package (I come from gentoo) for kde that presumably installs the entire desktop but I couldn't find one in the list of gnome packages? Heh, I installed apache so I could host the screenshots and I noticed the updates for it just after I sent off that email. Thanks for mentioning it though. Thanks far all your help folks! Abe Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Abe,

On Wednesday 30 March 2005 22:38, Abram B Olson wrote:

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Ok sure. There is nothing wrong with the fonts in the pages that firefox displays. The problem is in the application inself.

You can see a screenshot here: http://70.56.94.211/snapshot1.png http://70.56.94.211/snapshot2.png

You can see that the font in the mozilla menu are very large in comparison to the fonts in thunderbird and the kde desktop.

Menu font sizes are controlled by Gnome settings (Firefox is a GTK2-based program). It could be either the font options chosen in the Gnome configuration or Gnome could be using an inappropriate display DPI, which in turn is causing proper font point sizes to be turned into incorrect pixel sizes.

And get that security update installed.

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Abe

Randall Schulz

N. Eschricht

15:40

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Abram B Olson wrote:

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Ok sure. There is nothing wrong with the fonts in the pages that firefox displays. The problem is in the application inself.

You can see a screenshot here: http://70.56.94.211/snapshot1.png http://70.56.94.211/snapshot2.png

You can see that the font in the mozilla menu are very large in comparison to the fonts in thunderbird and the kde desktop.

Abe

It looks like you are using KDE. Firefox takes the same fonts as all other GTK-applications. Configure the font types and sizes in the KDE control center. You have to restart firefox and maybe KDE. + N. Eschricht

Abram B Olson

16:56

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As far as I know I have done this and I just did it again to double check ;-) It looks like the same font being used but the scaling is different. In my experience with firefox and mozilla in other linux distros and in windows, the menu and tab fonts are usually the same size as the fonts in thunderbirds menus. Look here at the difference in size between the word file in firefox and in thunderbird: http://70.56.94.211/snapshot3.png That shows what I am talking about nicely. Abe N. Eschricht wrote:

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Abram B Olson wrote:

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Ok sure. There is nothing wrong with the fonts in the pages that firefox displays. The problem is in the application inself.

You can see a screenshot here: http://70.56.94.211/snapshot1.png http://70.56.94.211/snapshot2.png

You can see that the font in the mozilla menu are very large in comparison to the fonts in thunderbird and the kde desktop.

Abe

It looks like you are using KDE. Firefox takes the same fonts as all other GTK-applications. Configure the font types and sizes in the KDE control center. You have to restart firefox and maybe KDE. + N. Eschricht

Felix Miata

18:01

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Abram B Olson wrote Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:38:45 -0800:

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Felix Miata wrote:

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Abram B Olson wrote:

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So, both mozilla and firefox have really enormous fonts, not in the webpages but in the applications themselves. I've spent about an hour trying to fix this by adjusting the font sizes in both the applications and in the kde preferences but nothing changes the enormoun fonts. Anyone who can help will have my eternal gratitude ;-)

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The only way to know what you mean by "enormous" is give us a link to a screenshot showing the problem, but see generally: http://www.mozilla.org/unix/dpi.html

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Ok sure. There is nothing wrong with the fonts in the pages that firefox displays. The problem is in the application inself.

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You can see a screenshot here: http://70.56.94.211/snapshot1.png http://70.56.94.211/snapshot2.png

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You can see that the font in the mozilla menu are very large in comparison to the fonts in thunderbird and the kde desktop.

Looks to me like you have set those other fonts to be very small, maybe 12px or thereabouts. One man's "enormous" can be another man's "tiny". :-) You should have been able to solve your problem with the URL I gave you before. Your problem is a DPI problem. Compare these two: http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/ss/Mozilla/FF70-72.gif http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/ss/Mozilla/FF70-96.gif You can see all the page content is identical between the two. The default default 16px font size in Firefox remains in place. The difference in application font sizes between the two is purely dependant upon the DPI Firefox uses, which it gets from X unless you override it (last I checked, overriding was buggy and not recommended). My preference is for fonts big enough to read, so for me, the 96 DPI setting is preferable, and keeps the menu text slightly smaller than unsized page text. Fixing your problem depends on you adjusting your DPI, or using CSS. This may be as simple as going into FF preferences and ensuring that the "display resolution" setting is on "system setting" and not 96 or some other number. If that doesn't fix it for you, then you'll need to adjust DPI in X as spelled out on the page I pointed you to, or use CSS, which that same page also mentions. -- "In everything, do to others what you would have them do to you." Matthew 7:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/

Abram B Olson

1 Apr 1 Apr

02:37

New subject: [SLE] really big fonts in mozilla and firefox [FIXED]

I fixed it by adjusting the dpi settings in the firefox preferences to System Settings. Thanks for your help. Abe Felix Miata wrote:

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Abram B Olson wrote Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:38:45 -0800:

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Felix Miata wrote:

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Abram B Olson wrote:

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So, both mozilla and firefox have really enormous fonts, not in the webpages but in the applications themselves. I've spent about an hour trying to fix this by adjusting the font sizes in both the applications and in the kde preferences but nothing changes the enormoun fonts. Anyone who can help will have my eternal gratitude ;-)

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The only way to know what you mean by "enormous" is give us a link to a screenshot showing the problem, but see generally: http://www.mozilla.org/unix/dpi.html

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Ok sure. There is nothing wrong with the fonts in the pages that firefox displays. The problem is in the application inself.

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You can see a screenshot here: http://70.56.94.211/snapshot1.png http://70.56.94.211/snapshot2.png

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You can see that the font in the mozilla menu are very large in comparison to the fonts in thunderbird and the kde desktop.

Looks to me like you have set those other fonts to be very small, maybe 12px or thereabouts. One man's "enormous" can be another man's "tiny". :-)

You should have been able to solve your problem with the URL I gave you before. Your problem is a DPI problem.

Compare these two: http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/ss/Mozilla/FF70-72.gif http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/ss/Mozilla/FF70-96.gif

You can see all the page content is identical between the two. The default default 16px font size in Firefox remains in place. The difference in application font sizes between the two is purely dependant upon the DPI Firefox uses, which it gets from X unless you override it (last I checked, overriding was buggy and not recommended). My preference is for fonts big enough to read, so for me, the 96 DPI setting is preferable, and keeps the menu text slightly smaller than unsized page text.

Fixing your problem depends on you adjusting your DPI, or using CSS. This may be as simple as going into FF preferences and ensuring that the "display resolution" setting is on "system setting" and not 96 or some other number. If that doesn't fix it for you, then you'll need to adjust DPI in X as spelled out on the page I pointed you to, or use CSS, which that same page also mentions.

Felix Miata

03:11

New subject: [SLE] really big fonts in mozilla and firefox [FIXED]

Abram B Olson wrote Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:37:21 -0800:

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I fixed it by adjusting the dpi settings in the firefox preferences to System Settings. Thanks for your help.

Good, but this begs the question how it got off of "system setting" to start with. Which Firefox exactly are you using? You find out by typing "about:" in the urlbar, which gives a string such as "Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050323 Firefox/1.0.2" or "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041109 Firefox/1.0" or "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8b2) Gecko/20050329 Firefox/1.0+" How and when was the profile created? -- "In everything, do to others what you would have them do to you." Matthew 7:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/

William Westfall

03:23

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Is there a way to link a sound in KDE 3.4 when one empties the trash bin? -- wgwestfall1@privatemail.me.uk Made with:________________________________ Thunderbird 1.0.2 (20050317) Linux 2.6.8-24.13 AMD64 GNU/Linux (SuSE 9.2)

Joe Morris (NTM)

03:52

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William Westfall wrote:

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Is there a way to link a sound in KDE 3.4 when one empties the trash bin?

Sure, Control Center>Sounds and Multimedia>System Notifications>KDE System Notifications at the bottom. Left click on the Sound Column, then choose the sound at the bottom. -- Joe Morris New Tribes Mission Email Address: Joe_Morris@ntm.org Registered Linux user 231871

Abram B Olson

03:44

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Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050311 Firefox/1.0.1 I installed it from the suse 9.2 cd and then updated it via you. In gentoo, windows and OSX, it significantly improves scrolling smoothness if you set the DPI to 96. I did this immediately after I installed firefox in suse. The font sizes must have changed after I restarted and I must have not noticed it right away. Looks like it was my fault all along. Sorry for the waste of bandwidth. And thanks again for your help. Abe Felix Miata wrote:

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Abram B Olson wrote Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:37:21 -0800:

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I fixed it by adjusting the dpi settings in the firefox preferences to System Settings. Thanks for your help.

Good, but this begs the question how it got off of "system setting" to start with. Which Firefox exactly are you using? You find out by typing "about:" in the urlbar, which gives a string such as

"Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050323 Firefox/1.0.2" or "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041109 Firefox/1.0" or "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8b2) Gecko/20050329 Firefox/1.0+"

How and when was the profile created?

William Daniau

09:28

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Abram B Olson a écrit :

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So, both mozilla and firefox have really enormous fonts, not in the webpages but in the applications themselves. I've spent about an hour trying to fix this by adjusting the font sizes in both the applications and in the kde preferences but nothing changes the enormoun fonts. Anyone who can help will have my eternal gratitude ;-)

Abe

Hi, I did not read all the thread, so maybe you already had the answer. Here's how I solved the problem : issue in your home directory : touch .no-qtrc-to-gtkrc-mapping create in your home directory a file called : .gtkrc-2.0 which contain the following line : gtk-font-name = "sans 8" That worked for me. William. -- --------------------------------------------------------- William Daniau Research Engineer FEMTO-ST Dept LPMO Tel : +33 (0) 381 85 39 69 Fax : +33 (0) 381 85 39 98 email : wdaniau@femto-st.fr ---------------------------------------------------------

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