egads, that is why I use Ogle -- only 4 RPM's to install -- worked flawlessly on RH, Mandrake AND SuSE with zero problems.... ciao Kat On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 23:29, Marino Fernandez wrote:

Ogle never worked for me while I was using Mandrake, and again, many things didn't worked while I was using mandrake, and that's why I am here.

But one thing that I took with me on my move to SuSE was xine.

Maybe you didn't loaded al the plugins. I did and xine works great... can you enter the DVD menu and play extra features and change the language ON THE SCREEN and all that stuff you do with a real DVD player, using Ogle?; can you play DivX and Xvid?; what about quicktime movies? (this last format if more tricky and requires the sorenson codec, and does not work with all movs)... with xine and all the plugins I can. Here is a list (not complete, but the basic stuff) of all the rpms you need: libxine0-0.9.13-2 xine-ui-0.9.13-2 libdvdnav-0.1.3-0 libdvdcss2-1.2.4-0 xine-dvdnav-0.9.13-0 w32codec-0.90-1 rte-0.5-3.i586.rpm em8300-0.13.0-4.i586.rpm xine-d5d-0.2.7 libxine0-dxr3-0.9.13-2 xine-xvid-0.9.0-1 xine_d4d_plugin-0.3.2-1 xine_dmd_plugin-1.0.7-0 libfame-0.9.0-3 libxine0-aa-0.9.13-2 xine-ui-aa-0.9.13-2 Install them in that order. You may need to delete Mplayer at some point (ah! who needs it). You can get them from the net, just look for them, they are all in one german site... since I am not sure if I can put the link here I won't, but if you can't find the site, let me know.

I'll be fair and try ogle myself.

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On Thursday 02 January 2003 11:23 pm, Marino Fernandez wrote:

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I've had the same problem with Xine. It says Xine doesn't and will never play encrypted dvd's, because it's illegal.

What is illegal is playing encrypted DVD using and open source algorythm (according to the Digital Millenium Copyright Act)... because the decryption program is open source... anybody can look at the algorithm (CSS) and crack it... defeating the purpose of encrypting the file (what ever that is). People cracked the CSS algorithm anyway and came up with deCSS; but this program is not legal... this is the illegal part.

Any program in linux that plays encrypted DVD has that decrypting program (deCSS)... It does not matter if it is Ogle or Mplayer or Xine... if it uses decss (or however you want to call it) is illegal...

[snip]

And Oguz, if your Mplayer plays encrypted DVD, is already illegal in the USA... so watch out, John Ashcroft already wants your butt!!

No offense, but you're wrong. It is not illegal to play encrypted DVDs ore is is illegal to own or use a player that will do so. What MAY be illegal is to distribute to the public software that will allow or facilitate decrypting DVDs (as in posting decrypting software to your website or linking to it). You can download software that will allow you to play encrypted DVDs, and you can develop and use such software yourself so long as you don't distribute it or profit financially from it. -- Rich

Why do we have to through all this legal illegal stuff? What is legal depends on the subjective perception of the event. Even US was formed illegaly from the British legal point of view :) If you want to play DVD - just play it, since you've paid for it. If we need to distribute a copy of software to play DVD, lets just set up a site and distribute it for free under GPL. They won't have any legal grounds to sue you 'cause you're not making any profit of it. Their laws are working only against the same money greedy bastards as they are. -------------------

Rich Buckner wrote:

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No offense, but you're wrong. It is not illegal to play encrypted DVDs ore is is illegal to own or use a player that will do so. What MAY be illegal is to distribute to the public software that will allow or facilitate decrypting

You are right, thank you for the clarification (see www.opendvd.org), I am relieved; it MAY be illegal to post the software as you say, and it MAY be illegal to developed it... but apparently if you already have it... you can enjoy it... is like marihuana use in some countries... you can have it, but not sell it...

PHEWW!!!! SO I CAN PLAY MY DVD RIGHT ON JOHN ASHCROFF FACE, and not to worry... Thank you my friend for your enlightment and expertise.

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Saddly most of our politicians here in the states want to push thier laws (Made by the MPAA and RIAA padding thier wallets), to other countries. Look at Dmitry Skylarov from ElcomSoft in Russia, locked up for violation of the DMCA because of a program he wrote and spoke about in the states. And IIRC, possession of a device or technology that (with out authorization) breaches digital security methods is against the DMCA. RKDavies Textbox Networks On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 03:07, oeren@ykb.com wrote:

Well, i don't think i installed anything illegal. At least i didn't install any rpm named deCSS. I only installed 5 rpm's of MPlayer : Mplayer-common, MPlayer, MPlayer-default font, MPlayer-gui, and MPlayer-default skin. And i installed them from the cd of Gelecek Linux, which is a completely legal linux distribution here in Turkey.

Xine said it won't play Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket, because it's encrypted. But Mplayer played it. I don't know if it's really encrypted or not. Anyway, i'm a newbie.

What has mr. ashcroft or any other person to do with my butt? I'm not living in US, but they're welcome in Istanbul. When i subscribed this list as a newbie, i never thought i could hear any thing like that..

Marino Fernandez :

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I've had the same problem with Xine. It says Xine doesn't and will never play encrypted dvd's, because it's illegal.

What is illegal is playing encrypted DVD using and open source algorythm (according to the Digital Millenium Copyright Act)... because the decryption program is open source... anybody can look at the algorithm (CSS) and crack it... defeating the purpose of encrypting the file (what ever that is). People cracked the CSS algorithm anyway and came up with deCSS; but this program is not legal... this is the illegal part.

Any program in linux that plays encrypted DVD has that decrypting program (deCSS)... It does not matter if it is Ogle or Mplayer or Xine... if it uses decss (or however you want to call it) is illegal...

So why worry; get ogle, Mplayer and xine, and the appropiate plugins amd see for yourself... Linux is about choices, and this 3 programs and their plugins are freely available and work well in SuSE.

And Oguz, if your Mplayer plays encrypted DVD, is already illegal in the USA... so watch out, John Ashcroft already wants your butt!!

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On Friday 03 January 2003 12:57, Dennis wrote:

Thank you all for the guidance given, I downloaded the ogle player and also the plugin for xine and both are working fine.

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SSSHHHHH! we cannot tell you... but maybe if you do a search in yahoo, and enter this in the search box:

+xine +suse +dvd

You may find AROUND hit/entry 14 (give or take a few) this site... full of good stuff...

hahahahahaha! And that should probably be the final nail into the DRM cr*p <VBG> -- j afterthought: SYSTEM ERROR: Place sacrifice at keyboard to continue....

This is the one: http://packman.links2linux.de/ Dennis Jay Vollmer wrote:

On Friday 03 January 2003 12:57, Dennis wrote:

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Thank you all for the guidance given, I downloaded the ogle player and also the plugin for xine and both are working fine.

What's the URL for that xine plugin?

The 03.01.06 at 13:45, oeren@ykb.com wrote:

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alex@daniloff.com>>If you want to play DVD - just play it, since you've paid for it.

Shame on me, but i really can't see the point in encryption of dvd's. If i've bought a dvd, i think i'll have the rights to play it on any system i like.

Good question! The answer differs on what side of the coin is the answerer ;-) One possible answer: Encryption makes it impossible to play a DVD bought on one side of the Atlantic to be played on the others (different regions). That allows the publishers to use different marketing strategies, pricings, dates, etc. For example, the same movie may cost double in Europe than in India... The above is simplified, but it serves to give you an idea. There are some places that explain it. Have a look at... I'm not sure, but try these: http://www.lemuria.org/DeCSS/ http://decss.zoy.org/ http://dvd.sourceforge.net/ -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

The 03.01.09 at 21:15, Marino Fernandez wrote:

Does decryption allows to bypass this zoning scheme. I.e. can I play an european DVD with xine and the apropiate plugins in north america?

I think so, but I have not tried. Let me see... ah: +++ libdvdcss is a simple library designed for accessing DVDs like a block device without having to bother about the decryption. The important features are: * portability: currently supported platforms are GNU/Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, BSD/OS, BeOS, Windows 95/98, Windows NT/2000, MacOS X, Solaris, HP-UX and OS/2. * adaptability: unlike most similar projects, libdvdcss doesn't require the region of your drive to be set and will try its best to read from the disc even in the case of a region mismatch. * simplicity: a DVD player can be built around the libdvdcss API using no more than 4 or 5 library calls. libdvdcss is free software, released under the General Public License. This ensures that libdvdcss remains free and used only with free software. ++- -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

On Thursday 02 January 2003 11:23 pm, Marino Fernandez wrote: [in response to ??? who wrote]

...

I've had the same problem with Xine. It says Xine doesn't and will never play encrypted dvd's, because it's illegal.

What is illegal is playing encrypted DVD using an open source algorythm (according to the Digital Millenium Copyright Act) ... this is the illegal part.

Any program in linux that plays encrypted DVD has that decrypting program (deCSS)... It does not matter if it is Ogle or Mplayer or Xine... if it uses decss (or however you want to call it) is illegal...

hmmm... earlier in this thread you noted the list of RPM's to install for Xine, which included the curiously named file "libdvdcss2". Searching the net reveals there is both a "libdvdcss" and "libdvdcss2" -- without the "2" suffix, most (if not all) of the descriptions simply indicated it was a library that enabled block-I/O for dvd devices without the need for region "locking" on the drive; while most of the ones for libdvdcss-2- indicate "will use deCSS if needed" [of course, I realize most of these sites are copies/mirrors of each other, so it makes sense that the "description" remains similar, but it is interesting that no sites I've found (so far) give a hint as to the existance of the "other" library] So I'm curious: 1) are these "libraries" interchangable? (do they provide the same "function") 2) if so, is one "deCSS" based and the other "not"? (or are they both deCSS based and one group simply isn't saying so...) [of course, if you'd rather not say...]

The 03.01.03 at 08:58, oeren@ykb.com wrote:

I've had the same problem with Xine. It says Xine doesn't and will never play encrypted dvd's, because it's illegal. I didn't use Ogle but i can suggest MPlayer, It has 5 rpm's to install and i had no problems to make it work..

That's not exact or complete. The people that make xine have to say that to stay on the safe side (the same as your company automatically adds a confidentiality text to your signature); however, they do mention that in order to watch encrypted dvds you need to do certain things, but don't do them if you want to be legal. In fact, xine will use decryption if it finds the appropiate plugins. For the same reason, when Suse packaged xine, it did not include decryption, to stay legal; but you could add it later on. There are many places on the web with information on those legal issues. As to the number of rpms, that dependends on who packages it. Xine itself is only two: xine-lib and xine-ui. The rest are third party pluggins or libraries :-) -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

Anyway. Xine is more like winDVD, including DivX and Xvid support and the ability to be remotely controlled.

How can xine be remotely controlled? Is a plugin needed? Josh

On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 02:06, Marino Fernandez wrote:

OK, I tried Ogle... it is easier to install, just 3 or 4 rpms (one of them I couldn't/needed, since I already have xine, I think libdvdcss)... but I am not impressed. The GUI is much less appealing (and I won't use another adjetive because I do not want to hurt anybody feelings), there is some junk on the menus that I do not see with Xine,

Do you want to play with the GUI or watch movies? 8-)

and I cannot play DivX/XviD... finally the image is squashed horizontally (taller tha wider)...

I haven't tried divX, so I have no opinion here. You can resize ogle very easily with the mouse. I usually watch it full screen.

Being fair I have to admit that with Xine the image is more pixelated than with ogle... although with ogle the image is smaller and squashed; I think this problems with ogle and xine, has to do with the fact that my video card (i830m) does not support Xv (with out some tweaking, that I have not attempted yet). So the images in xine are pixelated, and in ogle are squashed and do not fit the whole of the screen (the video does not scale).

Anyway. Xine is more like winDVD, including DivX and Xvid support and the ability to be remotely controlled.

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On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 23:23, Marino Fernandez wrote:

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Do you want to play with the GUI or watch movies? 8-)

So since you really do not care about GUIS, I assume you are a purist and launch Ogle from the Konsole, and then use the keyboard only to control the movie playback,...

Do not take me too seriously. Nice things are nice, even if they are not really usefull. As long as the aesthetics don't interfere with function, I do not see any problem with nice GUIS. And that is not the only difference between the two players; the one I find more relevant is that xine plays (almost) any movie... but again I have both and I've made my mind, I prefer Xine.

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