On Sun March 22, 2009 8:51:34 pm Fred A. Miller wrote:

osskbboykin@comcast.net wrote:

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Hello,

Hope some can help.

I was running OSS 11.1 32 bit with KDE 4.1.3 -> 4.2.0 -> 4.2.1. I inadvertantly ran zypper up to try to get libqt4.5 to install a wifi plasmoid. Now I have install kde 4.2.67 and my laptop will only boot into a black screen. Network doesn't work. How, other than reinstalling from DVD and going through upate from KDE 4.1.3 -> 4.2.0 -> 4.2.1, do I get my kde 4.2.1 back and the desktop back?

Any help appreciated.

Yes.....remove the following files, and then you can setup your desktop again. At least you can logon again and have a desktop again.

Fred

/home/*/.kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc /home/*/.kde4/share/config/plasmarc

-- The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. - Margaret Thatcher Fred,

Thanks. I got it back, but still have a weird icon for the kickoff app launcher menu. It is a blue circle with a "play" button instead of the gecko. What do I need to change? Keith -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Joakimsen" To: "Keith B. Boykin" Cc: opensuse@opensuse.org Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 9:47:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [opensuse] KDE 4.2.1 hosed On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 21:38, Keith B. Boykin wrote:

Thanks.  I got it back, but still have a weird icon for the kickoff app launcher menu.  It is a blue circle with a "play" button instead of the gecko.  What do I need to change?

You need to change your KDE from 4.x to 3.5.x No thank you. I prefer to use KDE 4.x --Keith -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Montag, 23. März 2009 11:20:48 schrieb Andrew Joakimsen:

On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 22:06, wrote:

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No thank you. I prefer to use KDE 4.x

Well then understand when you are using beta software (KDE 4.x) there are going to be issues with it.

KDE 4.x is not beta. There is a released KDE 4.2.x which is not beta and there is an unreleased KDE 4.3, which indeed is beta or rather alpha since it will be released in summer. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 23 March 2009 05:20:48 Andrew Joakimsen wrote:

On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 22:06, wrote:

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No thank you. I prefer to use KDE 4.x

Well then understand when you are using beta software (KDE 4.x) there are going to be issues with it.

KDE 4.0 was a developer-only release, something like alpha quality coming out of the KDE project. KDE 4.1 was a early-adopter release, something like beta quality coming out of the KDE project. KDE 4.2 is for general use, something the KDE project feels is final release quality. However, at this time openSUSE packages for KDE 4.2 are not officially supported. KDE 4.2 hasn't (and, IIRC, won't) be released as an online update for any openSUSE version up to 11.1. As such, end-users should feel justified calling KDE 4.2 on openSUSE beta software, as it still hasn't been part of a release yet. (Others don't have to agree, of course.) -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. bss@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/

In <200903240115.20840.rmatov101@charter.net>, Rajko M. wrote:

On Monday 23 March 2009 08:58:25 am Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

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As such, end-users should feel justified calling KDE 4.2 on openSUSE beta software, as it still hasn't been part of a release yet. (Others don't have to agree, of course.)

Being unsupported and being Beta are 2 pair of shoes, Boyd.

Being not part of an official release makes the software release-candidate at best. Normally unreleased software is beta or worse quality. Also, lack of support *is* something that lowers the quality of software, usually to beta-quality or lower. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. bss@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/

In <200903241233.34901.rmatov101@charter.net>, Rajko M. wrote:

On Tuesday 24 March 2009 11:26:36 am Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

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Being not part of an official release makes the software release-candidate at best. Normally unreleased software is beta or worse quality.

There is a lot of software that is not included in official distro, but it is good software. Man-hour constrains make impossible to include them. Software included in Education project is perfect example.

I'm not saying the software isn't good. I'm saying that it hasn't gotten the level of attention required to make release-quality software. The reason why is not relevant to the argument.[1] If you install anything from outside the official repositories, you should consider yourself an alpha/beta tester for the unit "that software on your distribution" even if the unit "that software" is considered release-quality by the project that develops it.

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Also, lack of support *is* something that lowers the quality of software, usually to beta-quality or lower.

That can be your internal way to simplify thinking about quality, but again Beta is used to describe development stage, ie. code quality,

Beta is a beyond flexible term these days. However, it has always included more than just the state of the source code. Beta is a state of the product as a whole, particularly the expected user experience, which includes the level of support users will receive. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. bss@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/

Anders, I have downloaded backed to KDE 4.2.1. I had no intention of using KDE 4.2.67 (4.3 alpha) --Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anders Johansson" To: opensuse@opensuse.org Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 9:55:25 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [opensuse] KDE 4.2.1 hosed On Monday 23 March 2009 02:38:27 am Keith B. Boykin wrote:

On Sun March 22, 2009 8:51:34 pm Fred A. Miller wrote:

...

osskbboykin@comcast.net wrote:

...

Hello,

Hope some can help.

I was running OSS 11.1 32 bit with KDE 4.1.3 -> 4.2.0 -> 4.2.1. I inadvertantly ran zypper up to try to get libqt4.5 to install a wifi plasmoid. Now I have install kde 4.2.67 and my laptop will only

boot

...

...

into a black screen. Network doesn't work. How, other than

reinstalling

...

...

from DVD and going through upate from KDE 4.1.3 -> 4.2.0 ->

4.2.1, do I

...

...

get my kde 4.2.1 back and the desktop back?

Any help appreciated.

Yes.....remove the following files, and then you can setup your

desktop

...

again. At least you can logon again and have a desktop again.

Fred

/home/*/.kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc /home/*/.kde4/share/config/plasmarc

-- The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. - Margaret Thatcher

Fred,

Thanks. I got it back, but still have a weird icon for the kickoff app launcher menu. It is a blue circle with a "play" button instead of the gecko. What do I need to change?

You should downgrade to the stable 4.2.1. The 4.2.67 you have now is kde 4.3 pre-alpha, beta 1 isn't due until mid-May, so right now it's far too early to look at if you're not a tester. Don't use the UNSTABLE repository Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 23 March 2009 03:11:46 am Jan Karjalainen wrote:

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You should downgrade to the stable 4.2.1. The 4.2.67 you have now is kde 4.3 pre-alpha, beta 1 isn't due until mid-May, so right now it's far too early to look at if you're not a tester. Don't use the UNSTABLE repository

How do I downgrade to 4.2.1 from 4.2.67?

In YaST->Software management: First remove the KDE:/KDE4:/UNSTABLE repository and add the KDE:/KDE4:/Factory:/ repository Then select one of the core kde packages, such as libkde4, go to the Versions tab and select the proper 4.2.1 This should pull in all the other 4.2.1 packages as dependencies. But just in case, go through the list and make sure there are no packages highlighted in red that aren't selected for "upgrade". If there are any, select the proper version for them as well It's more work than an upgrade, but package managers generally aren't optimized for downgrades Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 23 March 2009 03:08:38 am osskbboykin@comcast.net wrote:

Anders,

I have downloaded backed to KDE 4.2.1. I had no intention of using KDE 4.2.67 (4.3 alpha)

Ok, the icon you're talking about is the default upstream menu icon for kickoff. The suse gecko icon is in the package kdebase4-workspace-branding- openSUSE. Do you have this installed? Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Keith B. Boykin wrote:

On Sun March 22, 2009 8:51:34 pm Fred A. Miller wrote:

...

osskbboykin@comcast.net wrote:

...

Hello,

Hope some can help.

I was running OSS 11.1 32 bit with KDE 4.1.3 -> 4.2.0 -> 4.2.1. I inadvertantly ran zypper up to try to get libqt4.5 to install a wifi plasmoid. Now I have install kde 4.2.67 and my laptop will only boot into a black screen. Network doesn't work. How, other than reinstalling from DVD and going through upate from KDE 4.1.3 -> 4.2.0 -> 4.2.1, do I get my kde 4.2.1 back and the desktop back?

Any help appreciated. Yes.....remove the following files, and then you can setup your desktop again. At least you can logon again and have a desktop again.

Fred

/home/*/.kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc /home/*/.kde4/share/config/plasmarc Cl -- The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. - Margaret Thatcher Fred,

Thanks. I got it back, but still have a weird icon for the kickoff app launcher menu. It is a blue circle with a "play" button instead of the gecko. What do I need to change?

Probably delete that one, and then add a new launcher. Click on the bar far right, then add widgets....there you'll find a new launcher. You'll have to move it to the far left on the bar. Click on bar (far right) again, and then move cursor on the bar till you're "on" the icon you want to move....left click on it till you have it in it's new place. Move the cursor straight up off the bar and it's set. Fred -- The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. - Margaret Thatcher -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org