Re: Microsoft Software Cost Analysis (Was: Re: suse 7.2!!)
Steven Hatfield <ashari@knightswood.net> writes:
The "business" could also be a department in a larger business, but I'm assuming that the "business" has 25 people or less, will have 1 central server that will be running SQL Server 2000 for their database, that there are 24 "sales/marketing people and/or project managers" and 1 "developer"...
Ok, So here we do the final addition: $3,549.00 $4,800.00 $6,529.95 $279.95x25=$6998.75 $549.95x25=$13748.75 $1029.00 ---------------------------------------- For a grand total of: $36,655.45 ... Or you can get SuSE's 7.1/7.2 Professional distribution, which comes with $40,000 worth of software, for the low low price of just $70.00.
Shouldn't that be 25 * $70? I know SuSE said it was perfectly ok for me to intall my single copy on each of my home machines (2 at present), but I'd assume in a business environment, you'd want to pay for each seat. Your basic economic argument still holds... :) Jim
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 02:45:30PM -0700, Jim Osborn allegedly said:
Shouldn't that be 25 * $70? I know SuSE said it was perfectly ok for me to intall my single copy on each of my home machines (2 at present), but I'd assume in a business environment, you'd want to pay for each seat.
Someone correct me if I am wrong.......but my understanding is...don't copy the disks, but install on as many machines as I could want? Regards Brian -- Brian Galbraith [ Mutt 1.3.18i]| GnuPG 1.0.6 | SuSE Linux 7.1-2.4.4 ] Preferred Key 0x8232434C http://website.lineone.net/~bgalbraith/pgpkey.html
At 11:08 PM 5/31/2001 +0000, you wrote:
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 02:45:30PM -0700, Jim Osborn allegedly said:
Shouldn't that be 25 * $70? I know SuSE said it was perfectly ok for me to intall my single copy on each of my home machines (2 at present), but I'd assume in a business environment, you'd want to pay for each seat.
Someone correct me if I am wrong.......but my understanding is...don't copy the disks, but install on as many machines as I could want?
1. You are correct. It is as legal as can be to make multiple installs of your SuSE software. IBM could buy one box and install it on every computer in the corporation ( talk about savings ;-). 2. In fact, it is even legal to make copies of the set for your own use ( here goes the ISO thing again...) and IIRC it is PERFECTLY LEGAL to make copies of the set and distribute them to your friends, and even sell them -- right? Someone (Ben? ) correct me if I'm wrong about the second part. I already know I'm right about the first part :-) ---------------------------------------------------- Jonathan Wilson System Administrator Cedar Creek Software http://www.cedarcreeksoftware.com Central Texas IT http://www.centraltexasit.com
* Jonathan Wilson (wilson@claborn.net) [010531 15:32]: ->At 11:08 PM 5/31/2001 +0000, you wrote: ->>On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 02:45:30PM -0700, Jim Osborn allegedly said: ->>> ->>> Shouldn't that be 25 * $70? I know SuSE said it was perfectly ok ->>> for me to intall my single copy on each of my home machines (2 at present), ->>> but I'd assume in a business environment, you'd want to pay for ->>> each seat. ->>> ->>Someone correct me if I am wrong.......but my understanding is...don't ->>copy the disks, but install on as many machines as I could want? -> ->1. You are correct. It is as legal as can be to make multiple installs of your SuSE software. IBM could buy one box and install it on every computer in the corporation ( talk about savings ;-). -> ->2. In fact, it is even legal to make copies of the set for your own use ( here goes the ISO thing again...) and IIRC it is PERFECTLY LEGAL to make copies of the set and distribute them to your friends, and even sell them -- right? -> ->Someone (Ben? ) correct me if I'm wrong about the second part. I already know I'm right about the first part :-) I'm am pretty sure about the giving away to one's friends thing..but the resell thing I am not sure about. I don't remember if people are suppose to do this. -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.
* Ben Rosenberg (ben@whack.org) [010531 15:59]:
I'm am pretty sure about the giving away to one's friends thing..but the resell thing I am not sure about. I don't remember if people are suppose to do this.
The license can be found here: /usr/share/doc/packages/yast/COPYRIGHT.english And the one you guys are discussing is section 3: 3. Dissemination It is forbidden to reproduce or distribute data carriers which have been reproduced without authorisation for payment without the prior written consent of SuSE GmbH or SuSE Linux. Distribution of the YaST programme, its sources, whether amended or unamended in full or in part thereof, and the works derived thereof for a charge require the prior written consent of SuSE GmbH. Which means that you are free to copy it and give it away, but you are not permitted to earn money by making copies and redistributing them. -- Jay Migliaccio, Product Manager SuSE Inc., 580 Second St., Suite 210, Oakland CA 94607, USA Tel: +1-510-628-3380; Fax: +1-510-628-3381 "See? ... *now* you see!"
At 10:53 AM 6/1/2001 -0700, you wrote: Thanks, you hit the Nail right on the Head. I was right - you can make as many copies of the ISOs as you want, you just can't sell them. But you can give them away. That's why it's so stupid of linux.iso.org to refuse SuSE ISOs - they aren't charging for the download, so there's no reason they can't have ISOs to download.
The license can be found here:
/usr/share/doc/packages/yast/COPYRIGHT.english
And the one you guys are discussing is section 3:
3. Dissemination It is forbidden to reproduce or distribute data carriers which have been reproduced without authorisation for payment without the prior written consent of SuSE GmbH or SuSE Linux. Distribution of the YaST programme, its sources, whether amended or unamended in full or in part thereof, and the works derived thereof for a charge require the prior written consent of SuSE GmbH.
Which means that you are free to copy it and give it away, but you are not permitted to earn money by making copies and redistributing them.
-- Jay Migliaccio, Product Manager SuSE Inc., 580 Second St., Suite 210, Oakland CA 94607, USA Tel: +1-510-628-3380; Fax: +1-510-628-3381 "See? ... *now* you see!"
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On Thursday 31 May 2001 19:08, Brian wrote:
Shouldn't that be 25 * $70? I know SuSE said it was perfectly ok for me to intall my single copy on each of my home machines (2 at present), but I'd assume in a business environment, you'd want to pay for each seat.
Someone correct me if I am wrong.......but my understanding is...don't copy the disks, but install on as many machines as I could want?
I would think in view of the huge savings in your example, the least you could do is buy 25 copies from SuSE. *************************************************** Powered by SuSE Linux 7.1 Professional KDE 2.0.1 KMail 1.1.99 Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net ***************************************************
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