On Friday 05 June 2009 08:47:21 Felix Miata wrote:

On 2009/06/03 00:04 (GMT-0500) David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. composed:

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Felix Miata composed:

I feel your pain Felix. A number of my 11.0 bugs are just sitting stagnant on bugzilla and have been for some time.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=141443 is my oldest, and it seems a fix was recently found, but won't be made available except for 11.1 or newer. Still, just because a bug is old doesn't necessarily mean it won't ever be fixed.

If my car finally gets fixed six months after I have traded it in -- has it really made a meaningful difference? This is sadly where the Novell takeover of SuSE has really taken away from the SuSE practice of providing fixes to its supported releases. As you correctly point out, unless it impacts the current baby, the rest of the supported releases are just -- OOL. Now granted we all know the talking points novell is to stick to on this issue "Supported means security updates... it doesn't mean actually supporting older releases by fixing broken functionality." Yes, we get it..., but that wasn't the mentality of the SuSE I first knew. (there were a couple of other Susies in there as well -- but I digress) Yes for 8.x -10.x, the focus was primarily on security fixes, but many of the updates in that timeframe actually provided fixes to non-security bugs for *all* supported releases that were not EOL as well. The belated strict posture of - "Security Fixes Only" unless you are running the "current" release is an economic reality, but it really detracts from the distro and it is that constant pointed stick poking you in the eye to remind you that you are now a beta tester for the corporate offering and no longer a member of a true OSS community. Irregardless of whether you buy boxed sets, pay for support or download and test, the reality is the same -- you have very little chance of a bug (like the freenx-client, and kdiff3) getting fixed for a release once it is no longer the "current". Unfortunately, Cest la vie... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [06-08-09 11:18]:

In <200906070359.57289.drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com>, David C. Rankin wrote:

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Irregardless of whether you buy boxed sets, pay for support or download ^^^^^^^^^^^^

That's not a word. You either mean "irrespective" or "regardless"; "regardless" probably matches your usage best.

No, its "lawyerspeak" :^) -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 2009/06/05 09:53 (GMT-0400) Cristian Rodríguez composed:

On 03/06/09 01:04, David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. wrote:

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Christian R. can usually get in touch with the packager. See if you can get in touch with him.

Bugs in packages should be filled in bugzilla, there is no reason to

I take this to mean that even packages hosted in http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/* are to be considered Novell bugs. Is that correct?

email me directly, though I have not recieved any email whatsoever.

I sent you private email on this subject Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:57:15 -0400 as a response to David Rankin's post you replied to above in attempt to refer you to the OP of this thread at http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2009-05/msg01449.html -- "Cast but a glance at riches, and they are gone, for they will surely sprout wings and fly off to the sky like an eagle." Proverbs 23:5 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 2009/06/05 19:28 (GMT-0400) Patrick Shanahan composed:

* Felix Miata [06-05-09 10:06]:

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I take this to mean that even packages hosted in http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/* are to be considered Novell bugs. Is that correct?

Why would bugs in an openSUSE repository be considered "Novell" bugs? What really does "Novell" have to do with it?

https://bugzilla.novell.com/ as opposed to bug reports that would only be appropriately filed somewhere else. -- "Cast but a glance at riches, and they are gone, for they will surely sprout wings and fly off to the sky like an eagle." Proverbs 23:5 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Friday 05 June 2009 19:45:13 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Felix Miata [06-05-09 19:51]:

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On 2009/06/05 19:28 (GMT-0400) Patrick Shanahan composed:

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* Felix Miata [06-05-09 10:06]:

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I take this to mean that even packages hosted in http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/* are to be considered Novell bugs. Is that correct?

Why would bugs in an openSUSE repository be considered "Novell" bugs? What really does "Novell" have to do with it?

https://bugzilla.novell.com/ as opposed to bug reports that would only be appropriately filed somewhere else.

So openSUSE bugs are reported at bugzilla.novell.com, but they are openSUSE bugs not "Novell" bugs, or they need to go upstream. The "Novell" website is just the reporting place, not the responsible party.

For some reason the perfect picture of those three little monkeys came to mind, one with his hands over his ears, one with his hands over his eyes and the last with his hands over his mouth all sitting side by side -- just popped into my head over this issue. The other image I got was the one of a person with his arms crossed over his chest with the index finger on each of his hands extended and pointed in opposite directions accompanied by a childish guilty expression on face appeared as well. Man, Patrick, you paint a pretty good picture of the situation ;-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* David C. Rankin [06-07-09 05:10]:

Man, Patrick, you paint a pretty good picture of the situation ;-)

And tact and candor be not your *strong* suits :^) But, lawyer speak *is*! -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* David C. Rankin [01-01-70 11:34]:

On Sunday 07 June 2009 06:54:20 am Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* David C. Rankin [06-07-09 05:10]:

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Man, Patrick, you paint a pretty good picture of the situation ;-)

And tact and candor be not your *strong* suits :^)

But, lawyer speak *is*!

Just the uncanny knack for restating the obvious :^)

Usually, with high levels of anxiety and *lengthy* prose, both original and quoted, requoted, re-requoted and re-re-re-requoted. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org