""So are you saying that the U.S. government might file a "Friend of the Court Brief" to support your case against IBM?" I blurted out. "Don't be surprised" was Sontag's answer." http://www.byte.com/documents/s=8276/byt1055784622054/0616_marshall.html -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft®. We have no bugs in our software, Never!, We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost, to you, at this time.
On Mon, 2003-06-16 at 22:52, Fred A. Miller wrote:
""So are you saying that the U.S. government might file a "Friend of the Court Brief" to support your case against IBM?" I blurted out. "Don't be surprised" was Sontag's answer."
http://www.byte.com/documents/s=8276/byt1055784622054/0616_marshall.html
IBM seem to be playing the patience game with SCO...Let them bury themselves in FUD. Only problem is, they can say enough libelous crap because in the US no-one is going to go to court and get an injunction to tell them to prove it, or shut up. Although I hope they go for the full ensemble, something he hints at in the article and sues every company apart from Sun (funny how he mentions another company that could also be in trouble). Can you imagine taking on Apple, Microsoft and IBM? Lets hope SCO's shares full through the floor as this continues on.
* Fred A. Miller (fmiller@lightlink.com) [030616 22:59]: ->""So are you saying that the U.S. government might file a "Friend of the Court ->Brief" to support your case against IBM?" I blurted out. "Don't be surprised" ->was Sontag's answer." -> ->http://www.byte.com/documents/s=8276/byt1055784622054/0616_marshall.html Wow! I guess soon you'll have computer geeks taking out Mafia hits on SCO employee's. I wish IBM could just buy them already and Open Source all the System V code. -- The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other going in the opposite direction. ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org
On Tuesday 17 June 2003 07:26, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
* Fred A. Miller (fmiller@lightlink.com) [030616 22:59]: ->""So are you saying that the U.S. government might file a "Friend of the Court ->Brief" to support your case against IBM?" I blurted out. "Don't be surprised" ->was Sontag's answer." -> ->http://www.byte.com/documents/s=8276/byt1055784622054/0616_mars hall.html
Wow! I guess soon you'll have computer geeks taking out Mafia hits on SCO employee's.
I wish IBM could just buy them already and Open Source all the System V code.
Personally, I'd like this one to run and run - as long as, at the end of it, a tattered white flag is raised over the remnants of SCO's HQ. Firstly, I'd rather this sort of issue was sorted out once and for all. The last thing GNU/Linux needs is a queue of munchkin lawyers popping up to file suits on behalf of no-name companies who claim that their copyright has been infringed. If there's going to be a suit, let's get it over and done with now, before interested OS vendors can spread "GNU/Linux is tainted!" FUD throughout the commercial IT world. This case has raised questions that need to be answered emphatically. Secondly, I like to see SCO get the crap knocked out of them; to let them serve as an example of what not to do, and why spurious lawsuits are not a reliable source of income. Thirdly, the GPL has never really been tested in serious situations. If SCO were to succeed in their suit, the GPL would effectively be history. If IBM bought SCO, then the GPL remains untested. Only by fighting here does the GPL come out of this in a stronger position. Gideon.
On Tuesday 17 June 2003 01:26, Ben Rosenberg wrote: [stuff deleted]
I wish IBM could just buy them already and Open Source all the System V code.
[sig deleted] Well, with everything that I am reading, I am not sure that IBM purchasing SCO would allow them to Open Source System V. It seems that Novell is claiming that they still own parts, and maybe AT&T is thinking the same thing. It seems that possibly a big part of this suit will be for the courts to determine who actually owns what. It may turn out that SCO spent a lot of money for almost nothing (which would just break my heart NOT). What are the ramifications of that however? It would change the future for SCO (like they would go away almost immediately), but would someone else the spring the same suit against IBM, SGI, or who else? It might actually work out best for Linux if the courts determined that SCO owns System V and that SCO themselves tainted the code (thus GPL'ing the part that they are sueing over) and that would put them under then also. Of course the other scenario is that SCO devulges what code is suspect (early in the trial) and the kernel gurus start re-writing code immediately. Then the outcome of the trial would really have a limited effect as by the time this trial will be over, the entire kernel could be re-written from the ground up most likely. So, it turns out that SCO owns 2.4.x, but we are all running 3.y.x which has none of that code in it. -- Kelly L. Fulks Home Account near Huntsville, AL
On Tuesday 17 June 2003 06:52, Fred A. Miller wrote:
""So are you saying that the U.S. government might file a "Friend of the Court Brief" to support your case against IBM?" I blurted out. "Don't be surprised" was Sontag's answer."
http://www.byte.com/documents/s=8276/byt1055784622054/0616_marshall.html
An interesting article - I particularly liked the attempt to play on Islamophobic and xenophobic fears about swarthy foreigners armed with Linux. It's not the arms industry that made these people dangerous, oh no, it's the fact that they've got free software. One of the best things about this list IMHO is its international character - but in the case of this SCO debacle, US courts will largely decide the outcome. So here's an appeal to all US readers to do whatever lobbying they can on this issue, preferably accurate, calm, well written lobbying that reaches the ears of those with influence. In the UK I would write to my MP: if enough people do that, then awareness can gradually be raised. The less ranting the style, the more likely to be read with attention. Do your best folks, and if anyone has any useful clues as to anything that can be done at the UK end, perhaps post it here. I'm sure other Anglophones would like to do anything they can too. Good luck, Statesiders, please press home the attack. Best Fergus
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