Mandag den 25. oktober 2004 13:56 skrev Chadley Wilson:

On Monday 25 October 2004 12:49, Johan Nielsen wrote:

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Søndag den 24. oktober 2004 19:26 skrev Bahram Alinezhad:

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In gnome, Mozilla "Preferences" menu cannot be moved further when its title-bar reaches to top of the screen. This problem prevents me to press OK button or access some settings (I use Alt+mouse to move). Is there some settings to solve this? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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To me that sounds like you should try with a higher screen resolution, then you'll see the whole menu. I had the same problem on a laptop once and it was because of the relatively low screen resolution. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

My monitor cannot go above 640x480.

Then your first concern at all should be finding a second job and save up some $$$ to be able to get a larger monitor that makes higher resultions possible.

Maybe a nice graphics card too ;-)

You're really missing out on many things ;-)

Well there is another way, it not nice :-{ but does the job, Run SaX2 and configure a virtual resolution of 1024X768. The screen will then pan from side to side, which is a pain but does the job until you can get your self a decent monitor. Cheers

LOL lets do that on "640x480" equipment .... I just love panning ;-)

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Mandag den 25. oktober 2004 20:37 skrev Steve Kratz:

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In gnome, Mozilla "Preferences" menu cannot be moved

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further when its title-bar reaches to top of the screen. This problem prevents me to press OK button or access some settings (I use Alt+mouse to move). Is there some settings to solve this? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Doesn't Alt+Click+Drag work in gnome to move a window w/o clicking the titlebar?

I don't know - I only use kde or the console

On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 21:44, Chadley Wilson wrote:

On Monday 25 October 2004 20:37, Steve Kratz wrote:

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In gnome, Mozilla "Preferences" menu cannot be moved

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further when its title-bar reaches to top of the screen. This problem prevents me to press OK button or access some settings (I use Alt+mouse to move). Is there some settings to solve this? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Doesn't Alt+Click+Drag work in gnome to move a window w/o clicking the titlebar? If the machine is old and slow, or if the monitor is small, then try using fvwm instead of Gnome or KDE. Alt + F5 makes the curser stick to an xterm or program display. Moving the mouse moves the xterm. Click the mouse to release the xterm. Very nice.

Mandag den 25. oktober 2004 20:54 skrev peter Nikolic:

On Monday 25 Oct 2004 19:23, Johan Nielsen wrote:

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Mandag den 25. oktober 2004 13:56 skrev Chadley Wilson:

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On Monday 25 October 2004 12:49, Johan Nielsen wrote:

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S�ndag den 24. oktober 2004 19:26 skrev Bahram Alinezhad:

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"Bahram Alinezhad" (alineziad@yahoo.com) wrote: ----------

In gnome, Mozilla "Preferences" menu cannot be moved further when its title-bar reaches to top of the screen. This problem prevents me to press OK button or access some settings (I use Alt+mouse to move). Is there some settings to solve this? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

"Lars Nor�n" (lars.noren@mbox321.swipnet.se) wrote: ----------

To me that sounds like you should try with a higher screen resolution, then you'll see the whole menu. I had the same problem on a laptop once and it was because of the relatively low screen resolution. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

My monitor cannot go above 640x480.

Then your first concern at all should be finding a second job and save up some $$$ to be able to get a larger monitor that makes higher resultions possible.

Maybe a nice graphics card too ;-)

You're really missing out on many things ;-)

Well there is another way, it not nice :-{ but does the job, Run SaX2 and configure a virtual resolution of 1024X768. The screen will then pan from side to side, which is a pain but does the job until you can get your self a decent monitor. Cheers

LOL lets do that on "640x480" equipment .... I just love panning ;-)

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whats wrong with panning i use it all the time very usefull even more so on a 19 inch monitor .

So do I on my 19" but give him your 19" monitor and get his 12-14" monitor and tell me what you think about that experience ;-)

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whats wrong with panning i use it all the time very usefull even more so on a 19 inch monitor .

So do I on my 19" but give him your 19" monitor and get his 12-14" monitor and tell me what you think about that experience ;-)

Dont knock it i have been there 12 inch VGA 640x480 with early X and OLVWM ye gads thats a time ago now .

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On Tuesday 26 Oct 2004 16:53 pm, Bahram Alinezhad wrote:

You are running off-topic fast in one thread,

This is completely usual, and should be expected.

while, many of my questions are unanswered.

From your original posts, they are not questions, simply statements of what you find. I notice that some parts of your posts have been answered, or taken on on your behalf by others. Be satisfied with that - it's better than some queries get.

I require you go back and read posts sent by "Bahram Alinezhad" with the topic "(Re:) Simple questions No.x".

You 'require'?

I have about $20 monthly income and pay about $1 per hour for internet account (dialup). Please be a little kind and don't let my connection waste.

Maybe you should think about the same issue from your side and edit the mails you send to the list so they are shorter and more focussed

Thank you for your notice, Bahram Alinezhad, Rudehen, Tehran, Iran.

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*** Reply to message from David Robertson on Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:32:41 +0300 One more candle and a trip around the Sun***

Cut him a little slack - I doubt that he's being rude. Just probably not a native English speaker. How's your Farsi?

lousey, and "I suspeckt dee iss correct Spock!" It seems to me to be a dictionery type responce.. i.e. need =require one is polite and one is a little more demanding, but both are technically correct in this case.. he needs someone to look at what he is asking for more closely... crumbs you should see some of the stuff I wrote when learning Nihon Go, yiiiiikes! It's even worse w/ ChugakoGo now levels of politeness aren't always evident in English I think.. but are really important in many cultures to understand the language you hear, or in this case , read. -- j -- nemo me impune lacessit

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On Tuesday 26 October 2004 12:32, David Robertson wrote:

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On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 17:35 +0100, Dylan wrote:

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I require you go back and read posts sent by "Bahram Alinezhad" with the topic "(Re:) Simple questions No.x".

You 'require'?

Cut him a little slack - I doubt that he's being rude. Just probably not a native English speaker. How's your Farsi?

Really. I just assumed he meant "request." After all, even native speakers' posts frequently require a good bit of interpretation in order to glean the writer's intention.

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From my "Oxford Pocket Dictionary": request = act of politely asking for something... require = 1- need... 2- (fml) (usu passive) order; demand...

Excuse me for the wrong use of the word! As you can see from dictionary, it is implicitly deduced that "require" should have a gentle meaning; I didn't know it is so interpreted in your language, sorry. The fact which "Randall R Schulz" pointed out, is obvious: Use of many slangs and incomplete sentences by native English speakers is very annoying, as I cannot find them in my dictionary (Oxford Pocket); Do they understand themselves?! Sometimes, they don't respect whom aren't native English speakers, but, I do respect them, because I have to use this international language, and moreover, my purpose is solving technical problems, not verbal. I try to write as clear as possible, however, some imperfections are inevitable. I think that my writings if not more readable than some native speakers, but are still enough fluent to be read and understood. And about the posting style, I believe these cumulative responses are much more annoying: I have to count the number of ">" marks at each line to find out who is its writer! If you confirm, the quality of this mailing list will never improve, unless it be replaced by a "forum". Note that my Qs haven't been replied yet, and if I ask them again in separate mails, They will complain...! Thank you for your notice, Bahram Alinezhad, Rudehen, Tehran, Iran. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Today at 11:09am, Jeffrey Laramie wrote:

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Wed, 27 Oct 2004 Bahram Alinezhad wrote: [...] Excuse me for the wrong use of the word! As you can see from dictionary, it is implicitly deduced that "require" should have a gentle meaning; I didn't know it is so interpreted in your language, sorry.

No problem. Your English is fine. Just do the best you can. [...] We shouldn't because that's the correct way. There is one problem with asking lots of questions at once. It is a sign that you may be trying to ^^^^ (correct) do too much at once and not taking the time to master each task. Also, this is a community where users both ask and answer questions. It's fine to ask lot's of questions, but you should also try to answer questions ^^^^^ (not) when you can to give something back to the list.

Bahram Alinezhad's point underscores an important responsibility for everyone using this medium, but particularly for those who are native English speakers: We must pay attention to correct spelling, punctuation and word usage as much as possible. Sometimes the slip ups are trivial, as noted above. I also admit that it makes little difference to most of us (for example: the often misused "it's" for "its"), but the cost bad usage is creating confusion for non-native English speakers such as Bahram. Often it is difficult enough to understand the response to a technical problem, without having to parse the incorrect, misspelled and slang language used to express it. I am not trying to start a flame war or any long discussion, nor am I singling out any one person. I just urge everyone to put a little extra effort into saying (writing) it right so everyone can understand it. Jim

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do too much at once and not taking the time to master each task. Also, this is a community where users both ask and answer questions. It's fine to ask lot's of questions, but you should also try to answer questions

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Hmmm, I wonder why my kmail spell checker didn't catch that? I tested a couple other nonsensical contractions and it ignores all of them.

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when you can to give something back to the list.

Bahram Alinezhad's point underscores an important responsibility for everyone using this medium, but particularly for those who are native English speakers: We must pay attention to correct spelling, punctuation and word usage as much as possible.

Agreed. I also think this concept applies to beginners to a certain degree. They may or may not be native English speakers but they are all dealing with technical jargon and concepts that seem like a foreign language to them. It's up to us to politely correct them and direct them to the resources they need to get up to speed (even if it's the man pages they need and we have to say it for the 100th time). Jeff Jeff

On Wednesday 27 October 2004 13:42, Dylan wrote:

On Wednesday 27 Oct 2004 18:24 pm, Jeffrey Laramie wrote:

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do too much at once and not taking the time to master each task. Also, this is a community where users both ask and answer questions. It's fine to ask lot's of questions, but you should also try to answer questions

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Hmmm, I wonder why my kmail spell checker didn't catch that? I tested a couple other nonsensical contractions and it ignores all of them.

Because the vast majority of <word>-'s are either potentially valid contractions of 'is' or 'has' or are identical to possessives. Which 'nonsensical' contractions did u try?

I tried some other nouns, but as you point out they could have been possessive. Even "lot's" is a valid word (I wanted to build a larger house but the building lot's dimensions were too small.) so this is really a grammar issue and not a spelling one. Kmail just isn't worried about my poor grammar :-o Jeff

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On Wednesday, 27 October 2004 20.08, Jeffrey Laramie wrote:

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possessive. Even "lot's" is a valid word (I wanted to build a larger house but the building lot's dimensions were too small.)

It's a name too, if you disregard capitalisation. Biblical, even (Lot's wife turned to salt).

That's a Lot of salt. ;-) ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

The Wednesday 2004-10-27 at 07:03 -0700, Bahram Alinezhad wrote:

From my "Oxford Pocket Dictionary": request = act of politely asking for something... require = 1- need... 2- (fml) (usu passive) order; demand...

Excuse me for the wrong use of the word! As you can see from dictionary, it is implicitly deduced that "require" should have a gentle meaning; I didn't know it is so interpreted in your language, sorry.

I understand. There are also some internet dictionaries, some of them using the "Dictionary Server Protocol (DICT)". In SuSE Linux, you have the server daemon, dictd, and some client programs - but unfortunately, the databases themselves are not included, but they can be downloaded, they are not too big, and then, when installed, you save connection time: dict-web1913-1.4.tar.gz is 293649 bytes dict-jargon-4.2.0.tar.gz is 646270 bytes For example, the 1913 Webster says - yes, almost a century old, but it is free: | 1. To demand; to insist upon having; to claim as by right and | authority; to exact; as, to require the surrender of | property.

The fact which "Randall R Schulz" pointed out, is obvious: Use of many slangs and incomplete sentences by native English speakers is very annoying, as I cannot find them in my dictionary (Oxford Pocket); Do they understand themselves?! Sometimes, they don't respect whom aren't native English speakers, but, I do respect them, because I have to use this international language, and moreover, my purpose is solving technical problems, not verbal.

Sorry about that. In time, you learn more and more of the language. I did. Then, you can enjoy reading technical manuals faster ;-)

And about the posting style, I believe these cumulative responses are much more annoying: I have to count the number of ">" marks at each line to find out who is its writer! If you confirm, the quality of this mailing list will never improve, unless it be replaced by a "forum".

No, that's the method we use, and has be used for years. Notice that we do not leave all the original text, but only that which is needed to remember what the OP (original poster) said. If we need to read the OP full email, or the one before, or before, no problem: just a click o a few keystrokes. With webmail it is more difficult, of course. Like this email. There are, of course, other methods. Some prefer "top posting", which consists on leaving the original text, complete, below. The problem is that it wastes space (and time), specially when a second poster answer again on top, and the email gets very very long. This method probably comes from business world, where the bandwidth expense doesn't matter. For you and me, it does: we both pay for our internet time. It is better to keep email as short as possible. Your method seems to be a mixture of both, thus the difficulty. Arguing about what method is better is probably one of the preferred OT (Off Topic) subjects in this and other lists, causing endless discussions (flame wars) ;-)

Note that my Qs haven't been replied yet, and if I ask them again in separate mails, They will complain...!

No, at least I will not, and I know quite a few that won't, either :-) Some of them have been answered, as best as we could. Perhaps you haven't noticed, or they don't work very well, or you don't like them. I don't know, it's difficult for me to follow the broken thread. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

The Tuesday 2004-10-26 at 08:53 -0700, Bahram Alinezhad wrote:

You are running off-topic fast in one thread, while, many of my questions are unanswered. I require you go back and read posts sent by "Bahram Alinezhad" with the topic "(Re:) Simple questions No.x".

Require? That's bad manners, man... :-/ We are not SuSE employees, but normal people that help in their free time because we(they) want to. We are not under any obligation whatsoever to do so. People have been trying to answer your questions; but reading and following your posts is sometimes too difficult, and our time is also limited. You should try to learn a bit about how to post question efficiently on a mail list, and you will get more appropriate answers, as others have told you. For example: - Quote properly, trim not needed text. Remove bottom, useless, text. Previous text has to be marked with ">" or ">>", etc, (as this email), not as you do "name... wrote"... "name wrote". That is very confusing to us. - Use titles (Re) that give a hint about what is inside the email. Writing "Please reply" or "Simple questions No.2" is confusing and unproductive. Many of us will just ignore them, because we only have a look at the list of thousands of emails to select which ones we want to read. - Explain your question clearly, giving enough details. I'm sorry, but often I don't understand what you ask - and English is not my first language either. - Try to put one question only per email, or at least, related to the subject (Re). - Please don't crosspost. Many of us will think: "let the other list answer, I will not." It might save you time when writing, but it will get you fewer interested answers. - Respect threading, don't break it. It makes following the subject harder. - Read the list for some time; learn from them; imitate what others do. We all did. Almost :-)

I have about $20 monthly income and pay about $1 per hour for internet account (dialup). Please be a little kind and don't let my connection waste.

I understand, and I'm sorry about that. I hope you can read your mail while off-line, and not using a webmail. That's a waste of money. You are having problems with software that is no longer designed for such a "low" resolution as 640x480. No developer is probably even testing their software at that resolution, so you really have a problem there. You probably will have to define a larger _virtual_ display size, that moves when you push to the sides with the mouse. It is not comfortable, but it is the only thing I can suggest. Or use older software. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson