Howdy. Those of you who use (I hesitate to misuse the term "minimalist") window managers like... WindowManager, do you religiously perform all operations from a terminal command line, or do you use a character-based file manager like Midnite Commander or Ytree? (I'm assuming no-one would use WM and then commit sacrilege by invoking Nautilus or Konq -- with all that overhead -- to do file operations... :-) Is there reason to favor one over the other (MC vs Ytree), or is there a third option you'd recommend? Is anybody producing binary rpms for Ytree that would work with SuSE 8.x? I used Xtree and Norton commander back in DOS and Windows 3.11 days. They did the job. If this is too OT, I'd welcome offlist replies, and will summarize later if there's substantial response. Thanks for your time. /kevin
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 12:05:42AM +0100, KMcLauchlan wrote:
Howdy.
Those of you who use (I hesitate to misuse the term "minimalist") window managers like... WindowManager, do you religiously perform all operations from a terminal command line, or do you use a character-based file manager like Midnite Commander or Ytree?
I fall in into this category. I am using WindowManager, I do most of my job in xterm, and yes, I use Midnight Commander quite often.
(I'm assuming no-one would use WM and then commit sacrilege by invoking Nautilus or Konq -- with all that overhead -- to do file operations... :-)
For me, both Nautilus and Konq are just clumsy compared with mc for performing file operations.
Is there reason to favor one over the other (MC vs Ytree), or is there a third option you'd recommend? Is anybody producing binary rpms for Ytree that would work with SuSE 8.x?
I can't say anything about Ytree, never used it.
I used Xtree and Norton commander back in DOS and Windows 3.11 days. They did the job.
Well, I would call mc a (bad?) habit of mine from DOS days. I know, I am not typical, but I am very comfortable with these tools. Regards, -Kastus
On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Konstantin (Kastus) Shchuka wrote:
I fall in into this category. I am using WindowManager, I do most of my job in xterm, and yes, I use Midnight Commander quite often.
I am slightly lousier here as I ditched KDE for enlightenment. Found windowmaker a bit too plain for my taste and KDE too heavy. So did export WINDOWMANAGER=`which enlightenment` in my .bashrc and without having to touch another file, I cleanly go into enlightenment when I do startx. Neater than touching .xinitrc in home or somewhere else. Wanted tolerable speed with good looks, and KDE at my P-III/450 @ 128MB RAM was not fast.
I know, I am not typical, but I am very comfortable with these tools.
Don't know how typical it is, but I sure must thank Symantec [now assimilated?] for Norton Commander days [ndos too]. It was good. And mc is fantastic too - for file operations. I tend to use it even in X. Rohit ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com
On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:36:15 -0700
"Konstantin (Kastus) Shchuka"
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 12:05:42AM +0100, KMcLauchlan wrote:
you use a character-based file manager like Midnite Commander or Ytree?
I fall in into this category. I am using WindowManager, I do most of my job in xterm, and yes, I use Midnight Commander quite often.
Me too. I run mc in an xterm and totally rely on it for navigation, viewing an editing files, launching apps, etc. I just recently discovered that if I hit enter on an html file in mc, it will open the page in mozilla. Very handy for quick searching thru saved html files.
For me, both Nautilus and Konq are just clumsy compared with mc for performing file operations.
Yeah, they are kindof like the "Explorer" in MS Windows, and make it harder to do the job. The only advantage is the "drag'n'drop" support. But almost everyone can do things faster with the keyboard, than the mouse.
Well, I would call mc a (bad?) habit of mine from DOS days.
No, it's a "good thing" you brought from the dos age. The curses based file managers are the basis of high productivity in manipulating files. They are superior because they give you the same interface, in or out of X, so you are just as good in a terminal as in an xterm.
I know, I am not typical, but I am very comfortable with these tools.
I think mc users are very typical, it's just that you don't read many posts from them about how to deal with their file management problems. On the other hand, there are always posts about Konq and Nautilus causing problems, giving the illusion that everyone is using them. Of course, there are alot of newbies who just don't know better. When I peruse thru comp.lang.os.misc, and people have trouble doing "this or that" with a file, the answer "use mc" inevitably appears. -- use Perl; #powerful programmable prestidigitation
On Friday 25 October 2002 08:33, zentara wrote: [...]
I think mc users are very typical, it's just that you don't read many posts from them about how to deal with their file management problems. On the other hand, there are always posts about Konq and Nautilus causing problems, giving the illusion that everyone is using them. Of course, there are alot of newbies who just don't know better. When I peruse thru comp.lang.os.misc, and people have trouble doing "this or that" with a file, the answer "use mc" inevitably appears.
Well! All the votes are for MC, so far. Guess nobody likes Ytree. Sucks to be them, I guess. :-) /kevin
On Sat, 26 Oct 2002 00:47, Kevin McLauchlan wrote:
Well! All the votes are for MC, so far. Guess nobody likes Ytree. Sucks to be them, I guess. :-)
/kevin
I prefer MC for a non X file manager. I remember many years ago I tried Ytree and removed it just as quickly. Another one to consider is UnixTree the official clone of XTreeGold (Dos), which is far better than Ytree. http://www.unixtree.org/index.htm Regards, Graham Smith ---------------------------------------------------------
I like mc, and use it a lot, especially when I'm not using X, but I find that I stick with tkdesk for most file operations when using a GUI. Try it- it's very configurable, and with two panes configured, it's excellent for drag-and-drop etc.. HTH Terence
Circa Sat. Oct. 26, 2002 at 08:07:17 +0000, a lone cry was heard from
Terence McCarthy
I like mc, and use it a lot, especially when I'm not using X, but I find that I stick with tkdesk for most file operations when using a GUI.
I have the same taste as you. I vote Tkdesk to be the most underrated file manager of all times (actually it is the most powerful once you learn how to config and use it). Glad to find another Tkdesk user on the list:-). Charles -- "We all know Linux is great...it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." (Linus Torvalds about the superiority of Linux on the Amterdam Linux Symposium)
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