don't you think anybody should stop responding any thread with the subject "kde4" for a while now?? jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 22 June 2008 01:20:35 pm John Andersen wrote:

Lets not mix apples and oranges here.  Did the task bar ever stop working?

No it didn't, as long as there was a GUI. Or maybe, that blue screen with some console text on it, was a taskbar? Now, it is obvious that you read mails, but they are behind current status. -- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 22 June 2008 09:27:49 pm Matt Archer wrote: (on behalf of John Andersen like in few other occasions) ...

The point still holds:

Does KDE 4 do yet what KDE users are accustomed to KDE being able to do?

a) yes

B) HELL NO!

For you the answer is no, for me it is yes. You don't know what functions I use, I have no idea what you use. You don't want to change you opinion, and I will not change mine. Any further discussion is pointless and for me this topic is closed. Buy. -- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 22 June 2008 11:08:34 pm Matt Archer wrote:

The answer for a substantial number on this list is no.

Let me see names, sofar it seems that you and your 2 nicks are only in the game. You are pathetic if you think that anyone will believe that - mails coming from the same Internet address, - with the same style, - same content, - in the same time period, - answers directed to one of your identities are answered by the the other, really belong to different persons. -- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen wrote:

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Rajko M. wrote:

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On Sunday 22 June 2008 11:08:34 pm Matt Archer wrote:

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The answer for a substantial number on this list is no. Let me see names, sofar it seems that you and your 2 nicks are only in the game.

Gee, pretty easy to slag a guy who has been banned. Some ob Binner's ethics?

Just because you refuse to acknowledge the others don't presume they don't exist. We've seen what happens to people who irritate the KDE Mafia.

Ooohh, We have one of those too. Nice. Tell them to get ready, I think it will go down on Thursday night. No quarter, no mercy. But then, who will maintain our distro? Ok, tell them not to bring the tanks and we should be OK. out. -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rajko M. wrote:

On Sunday 22 June 2008 11:08:34 pm Matt Archer wrote:

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The answer for a substantial number on this list is no.

Let me see names, sofar it seems that you and your 2 nicks are only in the game.

You are pathetic if you think that anyone will believe that - mails coming from the same Internet address, - with the same style, - same content, - in the same time period, - answers directed to one of your identities are answered by the the other, really belong to different persons.

Rajko, I'm one who WON'T use KDE 4 on my systems nor on 99% of my client systems. This is NOT because I don't like KDE 4....it looks great and WILL be awesome once it's done, IMHO. The problem is that it's so scarce in apps. and admin. features that it's a nightmare to admin. on all these systems. Once it's as "complete" as 3.5, I'll gladly convert all systems over to it. Fred -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, "I don't have to support your Windows anymore." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Michael S. Dunsavage wrote:

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Rajko, I'm one who WON'T use KDE 4 on my systems nor on 99% of my client systems. This is NOT because I don't like KDE 4....it looks great and WILL be awesome once it's done, IMHO. The problem is that it's so scarce in apps. and admin. features that it's a nightmare to admin. on all these systems. Once it's as "complete" as 3.5, I'll gladly convert all systems over to it.

Fred

-- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, "I don't have to support your Windows anymore."

Sigh, I wasn't gonna get involved with this thread or any of it's type....How is it a nightmare to admin? I've had no problems making the changes that I desire. However, I haven't been able to add new themes yet.

There's a great deal that is missing in the KDE setup that users want, and I need. You can't even hide the panel yet which is more of an irritant than you might imagine. Further, and worse for businesses, are apps. that aren't available yet to run in "4." I'm sure there's a lot of home users that would/will be happy with it, but thats about it. Fred -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, "I don't have to support your Windows anymore." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Andreas Jaeger wrote:

"Fred A. Miller" writes:

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There's a great deal that is missing in the KDE setup that users want, and I need. You can't even hide the panel yet which is more of an irritant than you might imagine. Further, and worse for businesses, are apps. that aren't available yet to run in "4." I'm sure there's a lot of home users that would/will be happy with it, but thats about it.

But you can run any KDE3 application under KDE4 - or any other desktop you prefer. I regularly run konversation from KDE3 under KDE4.

Yes and no......some apps. don't play nice.

I see the other problem: Some functionality is not the same as it was in KDE3 - some of that on purpose since with KDE4 the KDE developers wanted to do some changes, so let's not expect a 1:1 feature parity between them ;-). There's other stuff that hopefully will come along, and I miss the panel hide option on my 1024x768 display as well :-(

On some desktops, it's not as big a deal, but on laptops - it's mandatory! So much so, I WON'T install it on a laptop until this and some other things have been fixed. I can't believe that it was left out as an option....pure ignorance, IMHO. As to the "rest" of KDE3 functionality, it had better find it's way into KDE4 (99% of it anyway) or there's going be a revolt of some kind. I don't think that Novell would be very happy with KDE team leadership if there was a mass exodus to another disto. Right or wrong, this IS likely if management doesn't get their head outta where the sun doesn't shine and tries to force an inferior functioning KDE on us by removing KDE3. Best, Fred -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, "I don't have to support your Windows anymore." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 22:36 -0700, John Andersen wrote:

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Michael S. Dunsavage wrote:

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I've had no problems making the changes that I desire. However, I haven't been able to add new themes yet.

Congrats, three sentences, and you contradicted yourself in two of them.

-- ----------JSA--------- "Ubuntu" is an African word meaning "Suse is too hard for me".

I don't think that's a KDE problem. I think I just haven't figured it out. I have been able to change a theme, which is what I desire. I think the new start menu is better than old one, actually. Changing all the fonts to 12 point, cuz I'm nearly blind, was easy. I was able to change the wallpaper @ ease. KDE4 had less problems with my monitor and video card. Getting mp3 support no problem. Setting up 2 more desktop work places, simple. Setting default browser and e-mail programs. Simple. Changing default paths for desktop and autostart etc. Simple. KDE4 may not be ready for enterprise roll out yet. But it's not difficult to admin. -- Michael S. Dunsavage -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org