On Tuesday 11 March 2003 8:21 pm, Michael Satterwhite wrote:

I'm a newbie, so please be gentle if these questions sound ignorant...

How does SUSE normally handle pricing on upgrades to new releases?

very quietly -- look around their site for the "upgrade" price, and you can typically get the "pro" version for $49 instead of $79 -- the difference is that with the "upgrade" you simply get the disks and one "quick install" manual, while with the "full product" you get additional manuals, bumper stickers, etc. [hey, they might even through in a stuffed geecko if you're lucky...] There is no corresponding price reduction on the "personal" version.

Is it my imagination, or does the math seem wrong on the description? 8.1 has 7 CD's and 1 DVD. 8.2 is said to have 5 CD's and 2 DVD's. What am I missing?

perhaps the second DVD contains things like scenery files for the flight simulator [flightgear] or any other "large" files that wouldn't be part of the "personal" set -- Yet another Blog: http://osnut.homelinux.net

On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 23:52, James Ogley wrote:

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Sounds like a skip-able release for anyone who's got a stable 8.1 system running. I couldn't see anything at all in the features presented that I would bother upgrading for.

Say it with me folks...

fontconfig, Xft2, GNOME 2.2, KDE 3.1, GnuCash 1.8.x (I think - and wow!), MainActor, kernel 2.4.20, XFree 4.3, GCC 3.3 ,Java 1.4

I mean, hot damn! Sounds like a buyer to me!

And of course, all those bleeding edge GNOME apps will start appearing for 8.2 on www.usr-local-bin.org as soon as I have it installed folks --

I know...And when will they be taking pre-orders soon? Add Never Winter Nights and Majesty Gold, ahhh :). Matt

rpm -qa | grep gcc libgcc-3.3-18 gcc-3.3-18 gcc-c++-3.3-18 HTH, Curtis On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 03:00, John Pettigrew wrote:

In a previous message, James Ogley wrote:

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Say it with me folks...

fontconfig, Xft2, GNOME 2.2

Yay!

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GCC 3.3

Is this compatible with gcc 3.2? I've got some apps that are supplied as binaries compiled with various gcc versions, and the latest is 3.2...

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Sorry, doesn't help at all. Are you saying you've already got gcc3.3? If so, can you answer my compatibility question?

No binary incompatibilites are mentioned by the website, so it should be OK. Except for bugs. :o) -- "...our desktop is falling behind stability-wise and feature wise to KDE ...when I went to Mexico in December to the facility where we launched gnome, they had all switched to KDE3." - Miguel de Icaza, March 2003

fontconfig, Xft2,

Hmmm. OK. I admit my ignorance. :o) What will these do for me?

GNOME 2.2,

Never use it. See my sig!

KDE 3.1,

Already got it as an update for 8.1. This is the best reason for buying the new release for those without broadband.

GnuCash 1.8.x

No job, not much money, so no need for that. :o) Although I could take a look I suppose.

MainActor,

Are they shipping the full version? Or just the demo? I thought MainActor was commercial software?

kernel 2.4.20,

Already running it, and let's face it, a point release in the stable kernel is hardly reason to upgrade a box.

XFree 4.3

I read the release notes. Not sure it'll do anything for me. I've no complaints about 4.2.

GCC 3.3

Er, they're shipping that? Is it going to be ready?

Java 1.4

I assume you mean 1.4.1? Already got it.

I mean, hot damn! Sounds like a buyer to me!

If you're a version number junkie, yes. If your reason to have a Linux box is to fiddle and tweak it, yes. If there's a specific package you need and you don't have the knowledge to install it yourself, yes. For anyone else, I'm not convinced it's worth it. Major upgrades aren't without risk. This is a point-release which contains a whole load of non-essential point-updates as far as I can see. I have every confidence that this list will go mad with enthusiasm for it though. :o) -- "...our desktop is falling behind stability-wise and feature wise to KDE ...when I went to Mexico in December to the facility where we launched gnome, they had all switched to KDE3." - Miguel de Icaza, March 2003

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fontconfig, Xft2,

Hmmm. OK. I admit my ignorance. :o) What will these do for me?

They totally rebuild the way in which X handles fonts, you're best looking at the website http://fontconfig.org

I looked, but it doesn't seem too clear. Will they: * allow me to easily install any ttf font I happen to get hold of * have that font made available without root messing about with config files * work seemlessly in X, KDE, OpenOffice, Gimp, etc. * unfailingly print to my inkjet exactly as it appears on screen These are what I want from a font system. I still use OpenOffice from Windows because Linux's font handling is crap - difficult to manage and unpredictable WRT my printer. -- "...our desktop is falling behind stability-wise and feature wise to KDE ...when I went to Mexico in December to the facility where we launched gnome, they had all switched to KDE3." - Miguel de Icaza, March 2003

My best guess would be that the 5 CD's contain the distribution and there is one DVD with the distribution and one DVD with src pkgs. But this is just a guess. * Marshall Heartley (heartley@earthlink.net) [030312 10:06]: ->On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 22:36, Ben Rosenberg wrote: ->> For all of you who are interested. ->> ->> http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2003-03-11-019-26-NW-SW-SS -> ->As another soul pointed out, SuSE is going from 7 CD's to 5. Anyone ->know why? I'm curious? -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I'll tell you what you should see.

On 12 Mar 2003 13:09:37 -0500 Marshall Heartley wrote:

On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 22:36, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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For all of you who are interested.

http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2003-03-11-019-26-NW-SW-SS

As another soul pointed out, SuSE is going from 7 CD's to 5. Anyone know why? I'm curious?

I'm guessing that they are cramming more onto each cd. I don't think all those cd's from 8.1 have 650megs of files on each. Would you rather have them use "clever marketing" and proclaim "8.2 now includes 10 cd's"? It's the gigabytes of actual files that count. -- use Perl; #powerful programmable prestidigitation

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Not really. I just want access to all the things that come with the distro. If they are putting more on the disc then that is great! But if they are putting stuff on the DVD to cut space, then I'm out of luck. I have no DVD drive or broadband.

Well, I there seems to be everything as before. Though I haven't installed everything yet. I must say that at present it appears to be more polished than 8.0 and 8.1. I guess it depends on what you want. If they have dropped some things I'm not aware of it yet. In fact there are a few new things that weren't present. I haven't check the compression ratios of the packages as of yet - perhaps that got a tighter ratio. X-4.3 and KDE 3.1 are working very well AFAICT - no real issues, and all the previous fonts issue are not a problem. Gnome is more well rounded and functional also. I will be installing the GNUcash to see if it integrates into web/online banking as reported. So far it's looking very nice. The devs are doing a pretty good job and many of the issues that were present on the list with previous versions are address. Yast is also more will rounded and polished. Frankly, it appears to be going in the right direction IMHO. :) Cheers, Curtis. - --------BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) mQGiBD5TsKcRBACXc11nz+pdunhZ1XBCoFB8SO06Hnvm+e3zJRG3XNkpatvQpKzc 67FmMDDtI+menX9BBLEZ05U7SYkHNfKER96nPXmoO4jL0KFZxYmhizXnVvZYSXpU cXNQa1ABWq6WgHOyeYLREjarZSgtWBluJ0tEB13ptneRjCjacvxrzKCGXwCg7wvt Wae/N25itO1t5hQ0+w/pXl0EAJJIGuTSEHrG2GxSx73Q2Ib6cDYhYMWYyAaG52iE wPZDJ7HO9aPfgPayetwXRjMnrnIQAZSMd/SVmEYRox8Z1X+oACm6KWLumq70UsMP 5K1Zlqe5HSIcfbsyhMvV5xWMRItqEYuuGaC9iqysycvHHfRIec55qEAQZ8yKYqCh 6S8GA/wOBdC8TtE0tvh6QUqHXlRtWXT6Bq0g2/G/eyIEJ+dx8WM6WE/qMlhAA1vE 2nxNQ4HPo4CQnIgVv3ZA6E7a2eetQB7znC1QJJ4jzfklpd3gODBeBmbq548dgwAi g8Ge9y6EFpfErkI/Nn1pwShdR3P+L+vTPVnDUgfZETufSe7ZYbQeQ3VydGlzIFJl eSA8Y3JyZXlAY2hhcnRlci5uZXQ+iFkEExECABkFAj5TsKcECwcDAgMVAgMDFgIB Ah4BAheAAAoJEO1lS4g66npLZ4UAn2vDDYbNL8m0lCgRefbuv/+exZhLAKCEr7EH xF/zq5kR1wxkFpgGLLjnZrkBDQQ+U7CoEAQA6/LnK6yXDAUTelM0Q+YUvwxzYMaf eWAzLIxkms8pu7r4R5S9RqcLJAOjpeMcMpw5AW7F9Xr2JUOvy5snaEYOw8UEAGAf ZZwecXhuuWyA0mj3oCBnH1vhiPj/F1Ft0LPjuYf2I5VtnP+s6/qq6eH6AgEXa2lr QgdFvl/vkApk6B8AAwUD/0YmJAFb+ptU6VzWR3Pzy6Uow/Bsqi6UPT8+g4Nj31q/ zY2+kFxHVkWOELlHQYfNhbmK8XCG9rj4S7wuWy804oDnN9NNpP4Yx2S04nYJx1an NHqTUheJjq1AteVHmjKRGhEyct9WdXIcN5+lbAmTn34HbJkFnxTZu84doCOTNbjR iEYEGBECAAYFAj5TsKgACgkQ7WVLiDrqekv1+QCeIa94/uImG9o/IJ8nCY8w2aoe +jwAoM1e6VVCroJ1RUPC+xMgpHVILL+c =WL2Z - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+b6dC7WVLiDrqeksRAhKXAJ9F2gTky7JaJXH7L6H/LwQm0+JNJACgwFMA F4WYPqn8GFIK2lgnOBccD8s= =yG0d -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yes, tester. (aka lucky so and so) :) Cheers, Curtis. On Wednesday 12 March 2003 15:43 pm, John Pettigrew wrote:

In a previous message, Curtis Rey wrote:

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Well, I there seems to be everything as before. Though I haven't installed everything yet. I must say that at present it appears to be more polished than 8.0 and 8.1.

This is the second time you've suggested this - that you are already running 8.2. How come? Beta tester? Lucky so-and-so :-)

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Well, I there seems to be everything as before. Though I haven't installed everything yet. I must say that at present it appears to be more polished than 8.0 and 8.1.

In 8.1 for some reason, Pysol was not there. Which I thought was a little strange. But I installed the version from 8.0 and the wife is happy :)

I guess it depends on what you want. If they have dropped some things I'm not aware of it yet. In fact there are a few new things that weren't present. I haven't check the compression ratios of the packages as of yet - perhaps that got a tighter ratio.

Point well taken. That would be cool if the compression ratio's were higher.

X-4.3 and KDE 3.1 are working very well AFAICT - no real issues, and all the previous fonts issue are not a problem. Gnome is more well rounded and functional also. I will be installing the GNUcash to see if it integrates into web/online banking as reported. So far it's looking very nice. The devs are doing a pretty good job and many of the issues that were present on the list with previous versions are address. Yast is also more will rounded and polished. Frankly, it appears to be going in the right direction IMHO.

Glad to hear that it is really nice! I look foreward to it especially if it is as good as you say it is. :-D -- Marshall "Nothing is impossible, We just do not have all the anwsers to make the impossible, possible."

On Wed, Mar 12, zentara wrote:

On 12 Mar 2003 13:09:37 -0500 Marshall Heartley wrote:

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On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 22:36, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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For all of you who are interested.

http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2003-03-11-019-26-NW-SW-SS

As another soul pointed out, SuSE is going from 7 CD's to 5. Anyone know why? I'm curious?

I'm guessing that they are cramming more onto each cd. I don't think all those cd's from 8.1 have 650megs of files on each.

You are wrong. Why should we make CDs which are not full? Thorsten -- Thorsten Kukuk http://www.suse.de/~kukuk/ kukuk@suse.de SuSE Linux AG Deutschherrnstr. 15-19 D-90429 Nuernberg -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint = A368 676B 5E1B 3E46 CFCE 2D97 F8FD 4E23 56C6 FB4B

On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:36:01 +0100 Thorsten Kukuk wrote:

On Wed, Mar 12, zentara wrote:

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On 12 Mar 2003 13:09:37 -0500 Marshall Heartley wrote:

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On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 22:36, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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For all of you who are interested.

http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2003-03-11-019-26-NW-SW-SS

As another soul pointed out, SuSE is going from 7 CD's to 5. Anyone know why? I'm curious?

I'm guessing that they are cramming more onto each cd. I don't think all those cd's from 8.1 have 650megs of files on each.

You are wrong. Why should we make CDs which are not full?

I was posing a "guess" as to why the number of cd's has been reduced. I guess the answer is a bunch of source has moved to dvd, which seems odd since alot of people don't have dvd's yet. So I think my guess was justified( although I should have just checked all my cd's.....just lazy). -- use Perl; #powerful programmable prestidigitation

While working with KDE 3.0.5 some applets/buttons have disappeared from the panel: kinternet and then the frame in which all the running programs are displayed. How can I put all in order? If I try to launch kinternet, it says: "kinternet is already running. It is the small icon showing a connector in your panel"!!! It is possible to view the programs running with add --> extension --> external taskbar. Every help appretiated, thank you.