Don't you just love the never ending insistance from Smart that it must have a key from subkeys.pgp.net or it will puke on the install? Of course, frequently the key is not available. This has been a major pain in the butt since the first release of Smart and is beginning to really irritate a number of users. Fred -- Remember, a consumer is a customer with no choice. DRM 'manages access' in the same way that jail 'manages freedom.' -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 21 February 2007, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Don't you just love the never ending insistance from Smart that it must have a key from subkeys.pgp.net or it will puke on the install? Of course, frequently the key is not available. This has been a major pain in the butt since the first release of Smart and is beginning to really irritate a number of users.
Fred
Especially given the intermittent flakeyness of the keyservers of late. Some may just not be reachable from time to time, others just disappear for days at a time. I've had to change my primary keyserver in kgpg three times in the last month. IMHO there has been entirely too much evangelizing of smart on this list. If Novell had not forced the developers down the ZMD road smart wouldn't get the time of day around here. Talk about a "New Coke" story.!!! -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
IMHO there has been entirely too much evangelizing of smart on this list. If Novell had not forced the developers down the ZMD road smart wouldn't get the time of day around here. Talk about a "New Coke" story.!!!
Personally... I detest Smart (meaning SmartGUI). I have said many many times it's a poor implementation, and severely awkward to use. I can use it, but it's not intuitive at all - particularly to new Linux users. At least with Synaptic, the new users caught on within a couple minutes. With Smart I'm always getting calls/emails from people who can't figure out how to do something with it. It all comes down to a bad UI design. But.. I've said this all before. Sigh. And ZMD? Not much you can say about it. I keep trying it in hopes that it will actually work as advertised. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 21 February 2007, Clayton wrote:
At least with Synaptic, the new users caught on within a couple minutes.
Like i've said in other threads, the one thing that (k)(X)Ubuntu does right is make updates drop dead simple with either Synaptic or the kde front end equivelent. It just works, and it doesn't take all day. Its as fast as your bandwidth, and seemingly never errors out. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Like i've said in other threads, the one thing that (k)(X)Ubuntu does right is make updates drop dead simple with either Synaptic or the kde front end equivelent. It just works, and it doesn't take all day. Its as fast as your bandwidth, and seemingly never errors out.
Agreed. The only real complaint I have about SUSE is it's updates and repos. It's a total nightmare for new users (regardless of what toolset they use), and an annoyance for us old timers. I can get it working without much trouble, but I have to "get it working". I've been referring the new users to KonvenientSUSE to help them get things up and running (ie making their Linux install actually usable by adding in MP3 support, multimedia support etc)... but still even that is prone to breakage (and new user error). I'm keeping a close eye on the Linspire/Ubuntu thing with CNR. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 22 February 2007 4:09:02 am John Andersen wrote:
On Wednesday 21 February 2007, Clayton wrote:
At least with Synaptic, the new users caught on within a couple minutes.
Like i've said in other threads, the one thing that (k)(X)Ubuntu does right is make updates drop dead simple with either Synaptic or the kde front end equivelent. It just works, and it doesn't take all day. Its as fast as your bandwidth, and seemingly never errors out.
You'd think that it would be that way with SUSE. :( Fred -- Remember, a consumer is a customer with no choice. DRM 'manages access' in the same way that jail 'manages freedom.' -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Fred A. Miller wrote:
On Thursday 22 February 2007 4:09:02 am John Andersen wrote:
On Wednesday 21 February 2007, Clayton wrote:
At least with Synaptic, the new users caught on within a couple minutes.
Like i've said in other threads, the one thing that (k)(X)Ubuntu does right is make updates drop dead simple with either Synaptic or the kde front end equivelent. It just works, and it doesn't take all day. Its as fast as your bandwidth, and seemingly never errors out.
You'd think that it would be that way with SUSE. :(
I've flagged this as OT as it's just a whinging thread, really :-) Personally, I think this is a symptom of being an RPM-based distribution. For a long while RedHat charged extra for package management, it was thought to be an "enterprise feature" I guess. This meant less eyes looking at the code and less feedback, and thus less development. In contrast, Debian has had it freely available and developable at least since I started using it in '99. This is no longer the case with the advent of Fedora and so on, of course, but I think the RPM-based distros are still catching up with Debian's more mature system (and hence Ubuntu which is based on and symbiotic with Debian). I'm sure there are some things done better, but overall it's just not as good right now. I'm also sure that'll be fixed with time, and it's possible they'll surpass Debian at some point. All to the good. Done right, they can learn from Debian's inevitable mistakes. Neither are guaranteed, of course :-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 22 February 2007 1:14:23 am John Andersen wrote:
Especially given the intermittent flakeyness of the keyservers of late. Some may just not be reachable from time to time, others just disappear for days at a time. I've had to change my primary keyserver in kgpg three times in the last month.
IMHO there has been entirely too much evangelizing of smart on this list. If Novell had not forced the developers down the ZMD road smart wouldn't get the time of day around here. Talk about a "New Coke" story.!!!
Pretty much! NONE of the update software is reliable and works as it should most of the time.....only a small fraction of the updates go smoothly. Fred -- Remember, a consumer is a customer with no choice. DRM 'manages access' in the same way that jail 'manages freedom.' -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Fred Miller <fmiller@lightlink.com> [02-22-07 00:40]:
Don't you just love the never ending insistance from Smart that it must have a key from subkeys.pgp.net or it will puke on the install? Of course, frequently the key is not available. This has been a major pain in the butt since the first release of Smart and is beginning to really irritate a number of users.
rpm -ql smart [...] /usr/lib/smart/distro.py cat /usr/lib/smart/distro.py # distro.py for SUSE Linux if not sysconf.getReadOnly(): # https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=199127 sysconf.set(("channels", "rpm-sys"), {"alias": "rpm-sys", "type": "rpm-sys", "name": "RPM System"}) sysconf.set("rpm-check-signatures", True, weak=True) sysconf.set("keyserver","pgp.mit.edu", weak=True) pkgconf.setFlag("multi-version", "java") sysconf.set("rpm-check-signatures", False, weak=True) although I have not had a rejected package for signature in the last three or four months and have rpm-check-signatures set to True ..... -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 22 February 2007 7:38:45 am Patrick Shanahan wrote:
rpm -ql smart [...] /usr/lib/smart/distro.py
cat /usr/lib/smart/distro.py
# distro.py for SUSE Linux
Thanks! Fred -- Remember, a consumer is a customer with no choice. DRM 'manages access' in the same way that jail 'manages freedom.' -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 09:38:44 pm Fred A. Miller wrote:
Don't you just love the never ending insistance from Smart that it must have a key from subkeys.pgp.net or it will puke on the install? Of course, frequently the key is not available. This has been a major pain in the butt since the first release of Smart and is beginning to really irritate a number of users.
Okay, I thought it was just me. I have been trying to install Firefox 2.0, which I grabbed from Guru. It doesn't show up in SMART or YAST. When I try to install I get some message that it isn't signed. I need to get that onto the labix list, because it is an annoying message - the first one I've gotten from SMART. -- kai Free Compean and Ramos http://www.perfectreign.com/?q=node/46 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Kai Ponte <kai@perfectreign.com> [02-22-07 08:04]:
I have been trying to install Firefox 2.0, which I grabbed from Guru. It doesn't show up in SMART or YAST.
When I try to install I get some message that it isn't signed.
I need to get that onto the labix list, because it is an annoying message - the first one I've gotten from SMART.
smart channel --show [...] [mozilla] type = rpm-md name = mozilla baseurl = http://repos.opensuse.org/mozilla/openSUSE_10.2/ smart query --show-channels MozillaFirefox-2.0 MozillaFirefox-2.0.0.1-29.1@i586 [mozilla, rpm-sys] MozillaFirefox-2.0.0.1-29.1@x86_64 [mozilla] ????? -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 22 February 2007 05:09:00 am Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Kai Ponte <kai@perfectreign.com> [02-22-07 08:04]:
I have been trying to install Firefox 2.0, which I grabbed from Guru. It doesn't show up in SMART or YAST.
When I try to install I get some message that it isn't signed.
I need to get that onto the labix list, because it is an annoying message - the first one I've gotten from SMART.
smart channel --show [...] [mozilla] type = rpm-md name = mozilla baseurl = http://repos.opensuse.org/mozilla/openSUSE_10.2/
smart query --show-channels MozillaFirefox-2.0 MozillaFirefox-2.0.0.1-29.1@i586 [mozilla, rpm-sys] MozillaFirefox-2.0.0.1-29.1@x86_64 [mozilla]
?????
Hmmm... I have a suse-mozilla not a mozilla channel. [suse-mozilla] type = rpm-md name = Latest mozilla.org packages disabled = yes baseurl = ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/mozilla/10.1 I thought I added a mozilla channel. Must look... Thanks! Need to catch a flight. -- kai Free Compean and Ramos http://www.perfectreign.com/?q=node/46 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Kai Ponte <kai@perfectreign.com> [02-22-07 08:47]:
Hmmm... I have a suse-mozilla not a mozilla channel.
yes, that's what YOU named it. You could have called it fox or coyote or ....
[suse-mozilla] type = rpm-md name = Latest mozilla.org packages disabled = yes baseurl = ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/mozilla/10.1
I thought I added a mozilla channel.
Must look...
You did, suse-mozilla is the same, but you would be better with: baseurl = http://repos.opensuse.org/mozilla/SUSE_Linux_10.1/ also, what do you suppose "disabled = yes" means? smart channel --enable suse-mozilla will fix. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 22 February 2007 06:27:35 am Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Kai Ponte <kai@perfectreign.com> [02-22-07 08:47]:
Hmmm... I have a suse-mozilla not a mozilla channel.
yes, that's what YOU named it. You could have called it fox or coyote or ....
[suse-mozilla] type = rpm-md name = Latest mozilla.org packages disabled = yes baseurl = ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/mozilla/10.1
I thought I added a mozilla channel.
Must look...
You did, suse-mozilla is the same, but you would be better with: baseurl = http://repos.opensuse.org/mozilla/SUSE_Linux_10.1/
Ahh, I added that - or rather attempted to add - through the gui. No luck. I did manage to add using the command line: sith:/home/kai # smart channel --add http://repos.opensuse.org/mozilla/SUSE_Linux_10.1/mozilla.repo Fetching channel description... -> http://repos.opensuse.org/mozilla/SUSE_Linux_10.1/mozilla.repo mozilla.repo ######################################## [100%] Alias: mozilla Type: rpm-md Name: Mozilla based projects (SUSE_Linux_10.1) Base URL: http://software.opensuse.org/download/repositories/mozilla/SUSE_Linux_10.1/ Include this channel? (y/N): y
also, what do you suppose "disabled = yes" means?
smart channel --enable suse-mozilla will fix.
Thank you, sir! I am now on Firefox 2.0 only. I was running 2.0 from my home folder but that was causing issues with plugins every time I'd run the installed 1.5.x version. -- kai Free Compean and Ramos http://www.perfectreign.com/?q=node/46 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 22 February 2007 13:03:43 Kai Ponte wrote:
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 09:38:44 pm Fred A. Miller wrote:
Don't you just love the never ending insistance from Smart that it must have a key from subkeys.pgp.net or it will puke on the install? Of course, frequently the key is not available. This has been a major pain in the butt since the first release of Smart and is beginning to really irritate a number of users.
Okay, I thought it was just me.
I have been trying to install Firefox 2.0, which I grabbed from Guru. It doesn't show up in SMART or YAST.
When I try to install I get some message that it isn't signed.
I need to get that onto the labix list, because it is an annoying message - the first one I've gotten from SMART.
-- kai
Free Compean and Ramos http://www.perfectreign.com/?q=node/46
If you type smart config --set rpm-check-signatures=false It'll no longer be concerned about signed packages. Matthew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 22 February 2007 9:01:05 am Matthew Stringer wrote:
smart config --set rpm-check-signatures=false
Thanks, Matthew......just did it! Fred -- Remember, a consumer is a customer with no choice. DRM 'manages access' in the same way that jail 'manages freedom.' -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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