On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 10:50:51AM -0400, suse@rio.vg wrote:
Marcus Meissner wrote:
I am angry the same way you are, being the security guy who has to use this framework :/
I should explain, and maybe this is an issue with language, but when I say "you", I mean you "collectively", not you personally. I don't know about German, but I know some languages use different words for these two, unfortunately, English does not. So when I said "you", I was referring to SuSE collectively.
"you" in this context means you specifically, or the community that is angry with ZEN/ZYPP.
Honestly, I did not know what your position was. Though, I will take this opportunity to congratulate you on the great work on the security side of things. I've always liked the SuSE security model, and with AppArmor, I do believe that SuSE 10.1 strikes the best balance between security and usability of any distro in the world.
Thanks. Even though AppArmor is another team, my team just does the security updates
The problem is that there is no one good to blame, since all can be explained by rational decisions in the end.
- We needed to change and enhance the package handling. mostly for multiple repositories, the easy ability to have add-on products, integration of the "update" mechanism with the regular package manager.
Why were apt and smart rejected? Both are mature systems that provide this functionality.
I do not know. We had kinda strict requirements on Patches, Add On Product handling, which might not have been fulfilled by those.
- Timing :/ We could not delay until it was as (quality) ready as we would have liked it, mostly we could not delay SUSE Linux any longer
Why not simply ship 10.1 with the old YOU, then? I don't understand why zen/rug was required to be in 10.1, since it obviously wasn't ready. Why not simply wait for 10.2 or SLES 10?
SLES 10 is using the SUSE Linux 10.1 codestream, so both are interlocked releases.
I think this is one of our greatest fears as sysadmins. We're really worried that Novell considers OpenSuSE to be a beta-test dumping ground for SLES, much like Fedora is for RedHat.
Frankly said, to some degree it is a ground of introduction new features which we will use in later products. It also is a stable community release done every 8 months.
If we have to look at every OpenSuSE release with suspicion: "What did Novell break on this release?", we'll switch to another distro.
As said multiple times, I personally hope that we will not do it again (and there is not much potential to do so anyway). Ciao, Marcus