On Monday 14 October 2002 20:54, Dallam Wych wrote:
On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 03:11:07PM +0100, Kevin McLauchlan wrote:
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The people who top-post -- and I'm one of them, unless I remember to switch styles for the Linux audience (ok, for SOME of the Linux audience) -- DO tend to be Windows users. But, you COULD ask yourself why that is so. People deserve the O/S (and the mailer) that they *deserve* perhaps?
Again, people use the O/S they deserve. I realize that it is to
So, if you manage to get hired at a company, and they are using Outlook for mail and scheduling/calendar updates and voting... then, somehow you "deserve" Outlook and therefore Windows, and you are a bad/lame person for so deserving? Or, in a tight job market, you should throw the job offer back in the scum-bag's face, for *daring* to suggest that you work in such a putrid and undeserving environment? Of course, I'm sure your infinitely superior remark would have been just a tad more impressive if you had said it correctly. Hint: one of those "deserve"s should have been "get". But thanks for coming out... the
various distributions benefit to dumb linux down to attract new users, after all they are profit motivated.
Neat, eh? All those people out there who actually work for a living, and 99.9% of them don't have any choice in the matter of what software they use, but for whatever reason the company uses Windoze. And unfair as it must seem... those scum office workers constitute the biggest software market in the world. The single biggest "dumbing down" that Linux is doing is gui desktops. I'm surprised that you'd be supporting SuSE or any of the others that make GNOME or KDE a big part of their offering. Even worse, the graphical install... woo that must bother you. It's positively Microsoftish. :-)
I just dislike seeing windows users bringing their bad habits into the linux world. I don't think it is right to expect linux to become increasingly more like windows, sorry.
Y'know that old saw: "Build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door"? Well, instead of complaining that the ways that Windows users do things are bad, why not just show them the obvious increased utility of the way *you* do things, and they'll flock to your way. That is, demonstrate, don't just assert. Or, you could eliminate the need for demonstration by claiming that they must all be too stooopid or too evil to be able to see obvious utility. [... Windows users ] Let's call them names and make
them feel like the unwanted scum they are, instead. That's a bit of a reach isn't it?
You mean the original gentle suggestion to "shun" them all? The original suggestion to which I was replying? Bit of a reach all right.
I mean, all is being asked is to respect the proper netiquette isn't it? How about just expecting new linux users to learn new, correct habits.
Well, many of them are bad people. They must be if they use Windows, because you say they get what they deserve. Of course, I hear that the well-paid senior officers of many corporations also use Windows... I forget... if they are deserving, is it because they are bad or because they are stupid? But if there are ANY who are not just inherently evil beings, then maybe you should just demonstrate to them what the correctness is. If it has demonstrated utility, I'm sure they'll all take to it immediately. If it only has asserted utility and correctness... well, they'll probably stick with what's been working just fine for them all their working lives. By the way.... here's a thought that will confound you: I'm a Linux user. I subscribe to nine e-mail lists, most of which are technical in one way or another. Only _two_ of them have anyone claiming that "top-posting" is bad. The other seven all have that as the standard. One of the seven is the local Linux Users Group.
...it is bad manners to reply without editing/trimming. Yes, I agree. I think 5.6k emails are excessive.
Well, there wasn't much quoted text in my message, so that sounds like a sleazy way of saying that you disagree with what I wrote. I'll be happy to be proven wrong... /kevin