-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2013-10-25 at 21:41 -0000, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 23:22:51 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Er... being pedantic, or more precise, the requirement is store temporarily until the next stage has got the email, then it is deleted. It is not defined anywhere that an email fetched from the inbox and deleted should be instead stored in another folder, named Trash. That's a feature of MUAs, not MTAs.
This server is behaving like a MUA, because it is a webmail server. And it imposes that behaviour on the associated pop server (I understand it does not provide imap).
By the way, gmail does the same. But they provide an imap interface, and there you can delete the trash remotely and easily.
There's no guarantee that's how it actually works on any given mail server, though.
That is so. MTA have to abide by some rules, but they can do other things as long as they transfer email correctly.
So, if Duane's purpose is to guarantee that mail he deletes is not recoverable on an upstream mail server, he's not going to get that guarantee.
That is so.
Arguably, he won't get that guarantee unless he owns the mail server and the communications channels (since, for the really paranoid, a passive network tap can be used to shunt the traffic to a secondary source for retrieval and analysis - and I know of organizations that /do/ that).
Absolutely. Me too. There is no need for ISPs to store our email so that other agencies read them. Those agencies can get a tap, store on their premises, and then analize that email. I i worked for such an agency I would not trust the storage at the ISP, I would use my own, thus very accessible for me, so that the ISP personel does not need to know or even glance at what I do with the email.
He's not really being clear about /why/ he desires messages removed from the mail server be permanently deleted rather than being moved to a location he won't see from his chosen mail client and purged a few days later.
Usually, people who want that kind of service guarantee have a specific reason they want their messages to be removed from the remote system. For some it's paranoia, for others it's that they feel providers are far too intrusive in private matters. He's not stated his goal (at least not that I've seen), just that the means is that when he retrieves a message from the server, it be irretrievably deleted from all areas the server.
Yep.
Which isn't an openSUSE issue. It's an ISP issue, and he needs to take that up with them, or he needs to own the e-mail server and understand the upstream process by which mail gets from point A to point B.
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