[opensuse] How to get TBird to delete messages from AT&T servers after download.
openSUSE 12.2 / Thunderbird 24.0.1 In TBird (a) download messages is checked (b) Leave message on server is UNcheck - yet, after they are downloaded to TBird, on webmail, they are transferred to the Trash folder. P.S. AT&T - swears - it's NOT their side ! TIA, Duaine -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding (314) 838-5587 / dahechler@att.net / www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com Home & Business user of Linux - 13 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 25/10/13 04:15, Duaine Hechler wrote:
openSUSE 12.2 / Thunderbird 24.0.1
In TBird (a) download messages is checked (b) Leave message on server is UNcheck -
yet, after they are downloaded to TBird, on webmail, they are transferred to the Trash folder.
P.S. AT&T - swears - it's NOT their side !
TIA, Duaine
Have you checked what the setting is to retain messages even though they have been deleted? And if AT&T are telling you this then they are lying thru their teeth - they are probably retaining those messages for the NSA. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-2 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/25/2013 08:09 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 25/10/13 04:15, Duaine Hechler wrote:
openSUSE 12.2 / Thunderbird 24.0.1
In TBird (a) download messages is checked (b) Leave message on server is UNcheck -
yet, after they are downloaded to TBird, on webmail, they are transferred to the Trash folder.
P.S. AT&T - swears - it's NOT their side !
TIA, Duaine
Have you checked what the setting is to retain messages even though they have been deleted?
And if AT&T are telling you this then they are lying thru their teeth - they are probably retaining those messages for the NSA.
BC
I'm not exactly sure what you are asking however - locally - deleted messages are moved to Trash folder, but, nothing like that is set far AT&T servers. -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding (314) 838-5587 / dahechler@att.net / www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com Home & Business user of Linux - 13 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 25/10/13 13:29, Duaine Hechler wrote:
On 10/25/2013 08:09 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 25/10/13 04:15, Duaine Hechler wrote:
openSUSE 12.2 / Thunderbird 24.0.1
In TBird (a) download messages is checked (b) Leave message on server is UNcheck -
yet, after they are downloaded to TBird, on webmail, they are transferred to the Trash folder.
P.S. AT&T - swears - it's NOT their side !
TIA, Duaine
Have you checked what the setting is to retain messages even though they have been deleted?
And if AT&T are telling you this then they are lying thru their teeth - they are probably retaining those messages for the NSA.
BC
I'm not exactly sure what you are asking however - locally - deleted messages are moved to Trash folder, but, nothing like that is set far AT&T servers.
My question was directed at what the settings are at the AT&T end. But at the same time, do you have any time delay settings either in TB or at the AT&T end? But wait......You mention WEBMAIL which is something done thru a web browser isn't it? Or do you really mean that what you are talking about is along the lines of using gmail where your mail client (Thunderbird) gets/sends mail to your account at AT&T? If so then AT&T has something screwed up (provided YOUR settings in TB are correct). BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-2 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/25/2013 08:45 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 25/10/13 13:29, Duaine Hechler wrote:
On 10/25/2013 08:09 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 25/10/13 04:15, Duaine Hechler wrote:
openSUSE 12.2 / Thunderbird 24.0.1
In TBird (a) download messages is checked (b) Leave message on server is UNcheck -
yet, after they are downloaded to TBird, on webmail, they are transferred to the Trash folder.
P.S. AT&T - swears - it's NOT their side !
TIA, Duaine
Have you checked what the setting is to retain messages even though they have been deleted?
And if AT&T are telling you this then they are lying thru their teeth - they are probably retaining those messages for the NSA.
BC
I'm not exactly sure what you are asking however - locally - deleted messages are moved to Trash folder, but, nothing like that is set far AT&T servers.
My question was directed at what the settings are at the AT&T end. But at the same time, do you have any time delay settings either in TB or at the AT&T end?
But wait......You mention WEBMAIL which is something done thru a web browser isn't it? Or do you really mean that what you are talking about is along the lines of using gmail where your mail client (Thunderbird) gets/sends mail to your account at AT&T? If so then AT&T has something screwed up (provided YOUR settings in TB are correct).
BC
Just called AT&T and - literally - everything goes through their WEBMAIL service - so - no matter what email client tells to server to do - all - emails are going to be sent to the TRASH folder - and - in order to - literally - delete them from their TRASH folder - you HAVE to do it through their WEBMAIL interface. - - - - - - DUMPING AT&T EMAIL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding (314) 838-5587 / dahechler@att.net / www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com Home & Business user of Linux - 13 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 25/10/13 13:53, Duaine Hechler wrote:
On 10/25/2013 08:45 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 25/10/13 13:29, Duaine Hechler wrote:
On 10/25/2013 08:09 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 25/10/13 04:15, Duaine Hechler wrote:
openSUSE 12.2 / Thunderbird 24.0.1
In TBird (a) download messages is checked (b) Leave message on server is UNcheck -
yet, after they are downloaded to TBird, on webmail, they are transferred to the Trash folder.
P.S. AT&T - swears - it's NOT their side !
TIA, Duaine
Have you checked what the setting is to retain messages even though they have been deleted?
And if AT&T are telling you this then they are lying thru their teeth - they are probably retaining those messages for the NSA.
BC
I'm not exactly sure what you are asking however - locally - deleted messages are moved to Trash folder, but, nothing like that is set far AT&T servers.
My question was directed at what the settings are at the AT&T end. But at the same time, do you have any time delay settings either in TB or at the AT&T end?
But wait......You mention WEBMAIL which is something done thru a web browser isn't it? Or do you really mean that what you are talking about is along the lines of using gmail where your mail client (Thunderbird) gets/sends mail to your account at AT&T? If so then AT&T has something screwed up (provided YOUR settings in TB are correct).
BC
Just called AT&T and - literally - everything goes through their WEBMAIL service - so - no matter what email client tells to server to do - all - emails are going to be sent to the TRASH folder - and - in order to - literally - delete them from their TRASH folder - you HAVE to do it through their WEBMAIL interface. - - - - - - DUMPING AT&T EMAIL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aaaah, a wise move no doubt :-) . Just a question arising purely from curiosity: why do you simply use your TB using your ISP? I mean I see people using gmail even though their ISP is not 'gmail' and it seems that they do this to hide their real name. I mean, my ISP is iinet.net.au and my TB is set to send mail thru iinet.net.au under my real name. Of course I am asking this without knowing anything about how things 'work' in USA so if what I am saying is totally off the planet then educate me :-) . BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-2 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/25/2013 09:10 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 25/10/13 13:53, Duaine Hechler wrote:
On 10/25/2013 08:45 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 25/10/13 13:29, Duaine Hechler wrote:
On 10/25/2013 08:09 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 25/10/13 04:15, Duaine Hechler wrote:
openSUSE 12.2 / Thunderbird 24.0.1
In TBird (a) download messages is checked (b) Leave message on server is UNcheck -
yet, after they are downloaded to TBird, on webmail, they are transferred to the Trash folder.
P.S. AT&T - swears - it's NOT their side !
TIA, Duaine
Have you checked what the setting is to retain messages even though they have been deleted?
And if AT&T are telling you this then they are lying thru their teeth - they are probably retaining those messages for the NSA.
BC
I'm not exactly sure what you are asking however - locally - deleted messages are moved to Trash folder, but, nothing like that is set far AT&T servers.
My question was directed at what the settings are at the AT&T end. But at the same time, do you have any time delay settings either in TB or at the AT&T end?
But wait......You mention WEBMAIL which is something done thru a web browser isn't it? Or do you really mean that what you are talking about is along the lines of using gmail where your mail client (Thunderbird) gets/sends mail to your account at AT&T? If so then AT&T has something screwed up (provided YOUR settings in TB are correct).
BC
Just called AT&T and - literally - everything goes through their WEBMAIL service - so - no matter what email client tells to server to do - all - emails are going to be sent to the TRASH folder - and - in order to - literally - delete them from their TRASH folder - you HAVE to do it through their WEBMAIL interface. - - - - - - DUMPING AT&T EMAIL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aaaah, a wise move no doubt :-) .
Just a question arising purely from curiosity: why do you simply use your TB using your ISP? I mean I see people using gmail even though their ISP is not 'gmail' and it seems that they do this to hide their real name. I mean, my ISP is iinet.net.au and my TB is set to send mail thru iinet.net.au under my real name.
Of course I am asking this without knowing anything about how things 'work' in USA so if what I am saying is totally off the planet then educate me :-) .
BC
I my case, I'm using the email service because I have a U-VERSE account - which email service is included. -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding (314) 838-5587 / dahechler@att.net / www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com Home & Business user of Linux - 13 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Basil Chupin
Of course I am asking this without knowing anything about how things 'work' in USA so if what I am saying is totally off the planet then educate me :-)
Right Basil. It is the USofA so email must be different here. email is email is email is email! -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Duaine Hechler wrote:
I'm not exactly sure what you are asking however - locally - deleted messages are moved to Trash folder, but, nothing like that is set far AT&T servers.
I don't know about AT&T, but Yahoo just moves messages to trash and eventually deletes them. Otherwise, you have to log in with web mail and manually delete those messages. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/25/2013 10:43 AM, James Knott wrote:
Duaine Hechler wrote:
I'm not exactly sure what you are asking however - locally - deleted messages are moved to Trash folder, but, nothing like that is set far AT&T servers. I don't know about AT&T, but Yahoo just moves messages to trash and eventually deletes them. Otherwise, you have to log in with web mail and manually delete those messages. AT&T is actually run by Yahoo - and - I don't want them there at all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding (314) 838-5587 / dahechler@att.net / www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com Home & Business user of Linux - 13 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 15:04:52 -0500, Duaine Hechler wrote:
On 10/25/2013 10:43 AM, James Knott wrote:
Duaine Hechler wrote:
I'm not exactly sure what you are asking however - locally - deleted messages are moved to Trash folder, but, nothing like that is set far AT&T servers. I don't know about AT&T, but Yahoo just moves messages to trash and eventually deletes them. Otherwise, you have to log in with web mail and manually delete those messages. AT&T is actually run by Yahoo - and - I don't want them there at all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding (314) 838-5587 / dahechler@att.net / www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com Home & Business user of Linux - 13 years
Duane, do you understand that e-mail at its very core is a "store and forward" service? If you don't want your mail stored on a server, then you can't use e- mail. Or, best case, you set up your own e-mail server and domain, and require that those who e-mail you only connect to the SMTP port on your server (ie, do not accept relayed e-mail at all). I guarantee you that the e-mails you've sent to this list are stored on Yahoo!'s servers, Google's servers, Earthlink's servers, AT&T's servers, etc, etc, etc, etc - because that is the nature of e-mail. Yelling at people and replying with multiple exclamation points out of frustration is not going to change the fundamental principles of HOW E- MAIL WORKS. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/25/2013 1:43 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 15:04:52 -0500, Duaine Hechler wrote:
On 10/25/2013 10:43 AM, James Knott wrote:
Duaine Hechler wrote:
I'm not exactly sure what you are asking however - locally - deleted messages are moved to Trash folder, but, nothing like that is set far AT&T servers. I don't know about AT&T, but Yahoo just moves messages to trash and eventually deletes them. Otherwise, you have to log in with web mail and manually delete those messages. AT&T is actually run by Yahoo - and - I don't want them there at all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding (314) 838-5587 / dahechler@att.net / www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com Home & Business user of Linux - 13 years
Duane, do you understand that e-mail at its very core is a "store and forward" service?
If you don't want your mail stored on a server, then you can't use e- mail. Or, best case, you set up your own e-mail server and domain, and require that those who e-mail you only connect to the SMTP port on your server (ie, do not accept relayed e-mail at all).
I guarantee you that the e-mails you've sent to this list are stored on Yahoo!'s servers, Google's servers, Earthlink's servers, AT&T's servers, etc, etc, etc, etc - because that is the nature of e-mail.
Yelling at people and replying with multiple exclamation points out of frustration is not going to change the fundamental principles of HOW E- MAIL WORKS.
Jim
Jim: Duaine has been around long enough that he doesn't need a lecture on how email works. He knows that. Don't be condescending. What he wants is that his email is deleted when he hits the delete button. That is not too much to ask is it? For the Record, Gmail gives you an option on how this works. You can set it in the Settings of the web interface here: https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#settings/fwdandpop It can be set to go to Gmail's archive, or trash or be immediately deleted forever. This can happen for either Pop access or Imap access. Much as people like to rant against Gmail, they really give you a great deal of control, and their Imap actually works, unlike Yahoo's which sometimes almost works. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 13:59:24 -0700, John Andersen wrote:
Duaine has been around long enough that he doesn't need a lecture on how email works. He knows that. Don't be condescending.
I know he's been around a long time. I also suspected that he knew how it worked, but his line of questioning seemed to indicate that he didn't. I didn't intend to be condescending. I genuinely thought he didn't understand how e-mail works.
What he wants is that his email is deleted when he hits the delete button. That is not too much to ask is it?
Apparently for AT&T/Yahoo!, it is. But that's not an openSUSE issue, and he seems to be getting frustrated and/or angry about people telling him that what he wants to do is apparently not the way it works. He seems to be demanding that someone here fix a problem that nobody here is in a position to fix.
For the Record, Gmail gives you an option on how this works. You can set it in the Settings of the web interface here: https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#settings/fwdandpop
Sure, I use gmail myself. Can you guarantee, though, that the e-mail isn't stored anywhere on Google's systems after you tell it to trash it or "delete it forever"? I doubt it. Is it worth writing e-mails to a list that doesn't support gmail directly that gmail isn't working the way you expect it to? Probably not. Is it worth getting so worked up that you repeatedly write sentences like "AT&T is actually run by Yahoo - and - I don't want them there at all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"? I would say no.
It can be set to go to Gmail's archive, or trash or be immediately deleted forever. This can happen for either Pop access or Imap access. Much as people like to rant against Gmail, they really give you a great deal of control, and their Imap actually works, unlike Yahoo's which sometimes almost works.
And Duane wants it to work like that, but Yahoo! won't let it, apparently. Complaining to THIS list isn't going to change that. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2013-10-25 23:08, Jim Henderson wrote:
And Duane wants it to work like that, but Yahoo! won't let it, apparently. Complaining to THIS list isn't going to change that.
True. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4, with Evergreen, x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlJq4ZQACgkQja8UbcUWM1yt5gD+IwiztOEDIm32ZcCAn71Rwg9I rlxuldW21fXJc19SXc4A/2U2s0mjNBsbO7lG1Qre92qgSNs4eIX+nZDlkI9YXqsa =+6I4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/25/2013 04:08 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 13:59:24 -0700, John Andersen wrote:
Duaine has been around long enough that he doesn't need a lecture on how email works. He knows that. Don't be condescending. I know he's been around a long time. I also suspected that he knew how it worked, but his line of questioning seemed to indicate that he didn't.
I didn't intend to be condescending. I genuinely thought he didn't understand how e-mail works.
What he wants is that his email is deleted when he hits the delete button. That is not too much to ask is it? Apparently for AT&T/Yahoo!, it is. But that's not an openSUSE issue, and he seems to be getting frustrated and/or angry about people telling him that what he wants to do is apparently not the way it works.
He seems to be demanding that someone here fix a problem that nobody here is in a position to fix.
For the Record, Gmail gives you an option on how this works. You can set it in the Settings of the web interface here: https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#settings/fwdandpop Sure, I use gmail myself.
Can you guarantee, though, that the e-mail isn't stored anywhere on Google's systems after you tell it to trash it or "delete it forever"? I doubt it. Is it worth writing e-mails to a list that doesn't support gmail directly that gmail isn't working the way you expect it to?
Probably not.
Is it worth getting so worked up that you repeatedly write sentences like "AT&T is actually run by Yahoo - and - I don't want them there at all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"? I would say no.
It can be set to go to Gmail's archive, or trash or be immediately deleted forever. This can happen for either Pop access or Imap access. Much as people like to rant against Gmail, they really give you a great deal of control, and their Imap actually works, unlike Yahoo's which sometimes almost works. And Duane wants it to work like that, but Yahoo! won't let it, apparently. Complaining to THIS list isn't going to change that.
Jim My apologies - I was just sounding out - to find out if I had something wrong in TBird - Ultimately, I badgered AT&T long enough to fianlly get at the truth - other than "we support email clients and/or Linux" crap.
I ask for your understanding - - it is just so DAMN frustrating thinking that - at one time it worked the way I wanted it to. P.S. In testing - I found out that email forwarding (on AT&T's part) to a gmail account - does NOT put the email in their TRASH folder <YEAH> Duaine -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 17:13:59 -0500, Duaine Hechler wrote:
My apologies - I was just sounding out - to find out if I had something wrong in TBird - Ultimately, I badgered AT&T long enough to fianlly get at the truth - other than "we support email clients and/or Linux" crap.
That's one of the reasons I keep a Windows virtual machine around. If I'm dealing with a support organization that doesn't recognize that people use operating systems other than Windows/OSX, I can test with Windows and Windows apps and tell them I'm seeing the EXACT same thing in Windows. Had to do that with my ISP once upon a time because the DSL modem died and the fact that no lights came on didn't prove it to them. They had to have me tell them that the Windows network configuration wouldn't get an address because, well, let's see - the DAMNED MODEM IS COMPLETELY DEAD. And of course, whether you run Linux, Windows, OSX, BSD, or OS/400, that doesn't change the fact that the DSL modem hardware has failed. ;)
I ask for your understanding - - it is just so DAMN frustrating thinking that - at one time it worked the way I wanted it to.
Understood. :) Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2013-10-25 22:43, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 15:04:52 -0500, Duaine Hechler wrote:
Duane, do you understand that e-mail at its very core is a "store and forward" service?
Er... being pedantic, or more precise, the requirement is store temporarily until the next stage has got the email, then it is deleted. It is not defined anywhere that an email fetched from the inbox and deleted should be instead stored in another folder, named Trash. That's a feature of MUAs, not MTAs. This server is behaving like a MUA, because it is a webmail server. And it imposes that behaviour on the associated pop server (I understand it does not provide imap). By the way, gmail does the same. But they provide an imap interface, and there you can delete the trash remotely and easily. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4, with Evergreen, x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlJq4SsACgkQja8UbcUWM1xwVQD+KEy6qHMT+4fQnm6+fGqwQXW/ Xzo695oyC4UVKN5ZqK4A/0vfWQKkQTjfbDELcM7ZEjpyyny8mTp719zLZcuBxRH/ =5XuF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
This server is behaving like a MUA, because it is a webmail server. And it imposes that behaviour on the associated pop server (I understand it does not provide imap).
If AT&T is using Yahoo, then it does support imap. However, he may have to go directly to Yahoo, rather than the addresses provided by AT&T. Here's a link to the Yahoo info: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/smallbusiness/bizmail/pop/pop-39.html Also, since his email is actually on Yahoo servers, he can use the Yahoo smartphone & tablet email app to access it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/25/2013 04:30 PM, James Knott wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
This server is behaving like a MUA, because it is a webmail server. And it imposes that behaviour on the associated pop server (I understand it does not provide imap). If AT&T is using Yahoo, then it does support imap. However, he may have to go directly to Yahoo, rather than the addresses provided by AT&T.
Here's a link to the Yahoo info: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/smallbusiness/bizmail/pop/pop-39.html
Also, since his email is actually on Yahoo servers, he can use the Yahoo smartphone & tablet email app to access it.
Wrong - I was told - explicitly - by AT&T that they only - allow access - by pop - NOT by imap -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Duaine Hechler wrote:
Also, since his email is actually on Yahoo servers, he can use the Yahoo smartphone & tablet email app to access it.
Wrong - I was told - explicitly - by AT&T that they only - allow access - by pop - NOT by imap
Yes, if you use the addresses they provide. I have the same situation with my ISP. However, if you use the Yahoo addresses, then you get imap and more. Give it a try and see what happens. Also, you don't have to change the smtp address, unless you want smtps for encrypted link between you and the server. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
James Knott wrote:
Duaine Hechler wrote:
Also, since his email is actually on Yahoo servers, he can use the Yahoo smartphone & tablet email app to access it.
Wrong - I was told - explicitly - by AT&T that they only - allow access - by pop - NOT by imap Yes, if you use the addresses they provide. I have the same situation with my ISP. However, if you use the Yahoo addresses, then you get imap and more. Give it a try and see what happens. Also, you don't have to change the smtp address, unless you want smtps for encrypted link between you and the server.
Correction, I only had to select port 465 with my ISPs smtp address to enable SSL/TLS. For imap, I have to use imap.mail.yahoo.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/25/2013 04:30 PM, James Knott wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
This server is behaving like a MUA, because it is a webmail server. And it imposes that behaviour on the associated pop server (I understand it does not provide imap). If AT&T is using Yahoo, then it does support imap. However, he may have to go directly to Yahoo, rather than the addresses provided by AT&T.
Here's a link to the Yahoo info: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/smallbusiness/bizmail/pop/pop-39.html
Also, since his email is actually on Yahoo servers, he can use the Yahoo smartphone & tablet email app to access it.
Wrong - I was told - explicitly - by AT&T that they only - allow access - by pop - NOT by imap -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/25/2013 3:14 PM, Duaine Hechler wrote:
On 10/25/2013 04:30 PM, James Knott wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
This server is behaving like a MUA, because it is a webmail server. And it imposes that behaviour on the associated pop server (I understand it does not provide imap). If AT&T is using Yahoo, then it does support imap. However, he may have to go directly to Yahoo, rather than the addresses provided by AT&T.
Here's a link to the Yahoo info: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/smallbusiness/bizmail/pop/pop-39.html
Also, since his email is actually on Yahoo servers, he can use the Yahoo smartphone & tablet email app to access it.
Wrong - I was told - explicitly - by AT&T that they only - allow access - by pop - NOT by imap
The page carlos posted says it only works for mobile devices, But it can't hurt to try it. Also, don't believe a single word of what AT&T tells you. They will tell you the moon is made of swiss cheese if it will get you to stop complaining. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
John Andersen wrote:
The page carlos posted says it only works for mobile devices, But it can't hurt to try it.
Here is the full email info page for Yahoo with Thunderbird. http://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?y=PROD&page=content&id=SLN3217&actp=search&viewlocale=en_CA&searchid=1382742718863&locale=en_CA&y= While this shows only POP and SMTP, it is also possible to use IMAP with the address imap.mail.yahoo.com. For IMAPS, use port 993 (SSL/TLS). The above should work for any ISP that uses Yahoo to provide email, though for POP and SMTP, that ISPs addresses should also work. As I mentioned in another message, you can also use the Yahoo smartphone & tablet app to access your mail. Once you have that set up, you can then use the GMail contacts to sync your address books. This requires the gContactSync add-on to sync the Thunderbird address book with GMail. I do this to sync all my computers & email clients, along with my phone and tablet. Works well. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 23:22:51 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Er... being pedantic, or more precise, the requirement is store temporarily until the next stage has got the email, then it is deleted. It is not defined anywhere that an email fetched from the inbox and deleted should be instead stored in another folder, named Trash. That's a feature of MUAs, not MTAs.
This server is behaving like a MUA, because it is a webmail server. And it imposes that behaviour on the associated pop server (I understand it does not provide imap).
By the way, gmail does the same. But they provide an imap interface, and there you can delete the trash remotely and easily.
There's no guarantee that's how it actually works on any given mail server, though. So, if Duane's purpose is to guarantee that mail he deletes is not recoverable on an upstream mail server, he's not going to get that guarantee. Arguably, he won't get that guarantee unless he owns the mail server and the communications channels (since, for the really paranoid, a passive network tap can be used to shunt the traffic to a secondary source for retrieval and analysis - and I know of organizations that /do/ that). He's not really being clear about /why/ he desires messages removed from the mail server be permanently deleted rather than being moved to a location he won't see from his chosen mail client and purged a few days later. Usually, people who want that kind of service guarantee have a specific reason they want their messages to be removed from the remote system. For some it's paranoia, for others it's that they feel providers are far too intrusive in private matters. He's not stated his goal (at least not that I've seen), just that the means is that when he retrieves a message from the server, it be irretrievably deleted from all areas the server. Which isn't an openSUSE issue. It's an ISP issue, and he needs to take that up with them, or he needs to own the e-mail server and understand the upstream process by which mail gets from point A to point B. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2013-10-25 at 21:41 -0000, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 23:22:51 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Er... being pedantic, or more precise, the requirement is store temporarily until the next stage has got the email, then it is deleted. It is not defined anywhere that an email fetched from the inbox and deleted should be instead stored in another folder, named Trash. That's a feature of MUAs, not MTAs.
This server is behaving like a MUA, because it is a webmail server. And it imposes that behaviour on the associated pop server (I understand it does not provide imap).
By the way, gmail does the same. But they provide an imap interface, and there you can delete the trash remotely and easily.
There's no guarantee that's how it actually works on any given mail server, though.
That is so. MTA have to abide by some rules, but they can do other things as long as they transfer email correctly.
So, if Duane's purpose is to guarantee that mail he deletes is not recoverable on an upstream mail server, he's not going to get that guarantee.
That is so.
Arguably, he won't get that guarantee unless he owns the mail server and the communications channels (since, for the really paranoid, a passive network tap can be used to shunt the traffic to a secondary source for retrieval and analysis - and I know of organizations that /do/ that).
Absolutely. Me too. There is no need for ISPs to store our email so that other agencies read them. Those agencies can get a tap, store on their premises, and then analize that email. I i worked for such an agency I would not trust the storage at the ISP, I would use my own, thus very accessible for me, so that the ISP personel does not need to know or even glance at what I do with the email.
He's not really being clear about /why/ he desires messages removed from the mail server be permanently deleted rather than being moved to a location he won't see from his chosen mail client and purged a few days later.
Usually, people who want that kind of service guarantee have a specific reason they want their messages to be removed from the remote system. For some it's paranoia, for others it's that they feel providers are far too intrusive in private matters. He's not stated his goal (at least not that I've seen), just that the means is that when he retrieves a message from the server, it be irretrievably deleted from all areas the server.
Yep.
Which isn't an openSUSE issue. It's an ISP issue, and he needs to take that up with them, or he needs to own the e-mail server and understand the upstream process by which mail gets from point A to point B.
That is so. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlJrxTYACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WK2QCaAyl6WVsNIz70wnZ/hPewZc6c G+kAni142CdiaRNMYq2SIEK/ABut2H8j =ehh5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 25/10/2013 15:29, Duaine Hechler a écrit :
I'm not exactly sure what you are asking however - locally - deleted messages are moved to Trash folder, but, nothing like that is set far AT&T servers.
curious nobody quotes that there is a set up "time to live" in the trashcan on the tb setup. I keep only things until I close tb, so I tick the setup "empty the trash when closing" and of course the imap server trashcan is deleted at the same moment jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
jdd wrote:
curious nobody quotes that there is a set up "time to live" in the trashcan on the tb setup.
I keep only things until I close tb, so I tick the setup "empty the trash when closing" and of course the imap server trashcan is deleted at the same moment
That would be for the trash on Thunderbird, not the server. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2013-10-25 19:33, James Knott wrote:
jdd wrote:
curious nobody quotes that there is a set up "time to live" in the trashcan on the tb setup.
I keep only things until I close tb, so I tick the setup "empty the trash when closing" and of course the imap server trashcan is deleted at the same moment
That would be for the trash on Thunderbird, not the server.
When using imap, it is the same. However, I know from my last stay in Canada that AT&T prefers their clients to use webmail, they push their clients to stop using other clients, and do not support imap, only pop3. On the other hand, webmail servers may have an imap server as backend, even if access is not open to the users. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4, with Evergreen, x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlJqs0UACgkQja8UbcUWM1y+4AD/UgxQrhCePgEuF+E7a3usImCL 084MH18JsdiV1sXc6OEA/1GjoqrcYKlNm2uRnEjkHh8QBJpCW/YOun5w6xHzfeKG =IJ0m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
That would be for the trash on Thunderbird, not the server. When using imap, it is the same. Yes, I know. I run imap on my own server, but one cannot assume that as many people have never heard of it.
However, I know from my last stay in Canada that AT&T prefers their clients to use webmail, they push their clients to stop using other clients, and do not support imap, only pop3.
I much prefer to use a regular email client to webmail. I use fetchmail to pull my email using pop3. However, my ISP uses Yahoo for email and while my ISP doesn't support imap, if I use the Yahoo server names, instead of my ISP's, then imap is available, along with the secure versions of pop, smtp & imap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/25/2013 12:04 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 25/10/2013 15:29, Duaine Hechler a écrit :
I'm not exactly sure what you are asking however - locally - deleted messages are moved to Trash folder, but, nothing like that is set far AT&T servers.
curious nobody quotes that there is a set up "time to live" in the trashcan on the tb setup.
I keep only things until I close tb, so I tick the setup "empty the trash when closing" and of course the imap server trashcan is deleted at the same moment
jdd
However, you are NOT talking about AT&T ! -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding (314) 838-5587 / dahechler@att.net / www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com Home & Business user of Linux - 13 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 25/10/2013 22:06, Duaine Hechler a écrit :
On 10/25/2013 12:04 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 25/10/2013 15:29, Duaine Hechler a écrit :
I'm not exactly sure what you are asking however - locally - deleted messages are moved to Trash folder, but, nothing like that is set far AT&T servers.
curious nobody quotes that there is a set up "time to live" in the trashcan on the tb setup.
I keep only things until I close tb, so I tick the setup "empty the trash when closing" and of course the imap server trashcan is deleted at the same moment
jdd
However, you are NOT talking about AT&T !
I speak about imap server may be you should change email provider? in France there are lot of them jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/24/2013 11:15 PM, Duaine Hechler wrote:
openSUSE 12.2 / Thunderbird 24.0.1
In TBird (a) download messages is checked (b) Leave message on server is UNcheck -
yet, after they are downloaded to TBird, on webmail, they are transferred to the Trash folder.
P.S. AT&T - swears - it's NOT their side !
TIA, Duaine
I'm not sure I understand the problem. That's how the system works. When you download your e-mail it is sent to trash. When you delete spam it goes to trash. A day or two later it all disappears from trash. It's kind of a backup in case you delete something and need it. If you don't collect it it just goes wherever used electrons go for recycling. No problem. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/25/2013 09:12 AM, Billie Walsh wrote:
On 10/24/2013 11:15 PM, Duaine Hechler wrote:
openSUSE 12.2 / Thunderbird 24.0.1
In TBird (a) download messages is checked (b) Leave message on server is UNcheck -
yet, after they are downloaded to TBird, on webmail, they are transferred to the Trash folder.
P.S. AT&T - swears - it's NOT their side !
TIA, Duaine
I'm not sure I understand the problem. That's how the system works. When you download your e-mail it is sent to trash. When you delete spam it goes to trash. A day or two later it all disappears from trash. It's kind of a backup in case you delete something and need it. If you don't collect it it just goes wherever used electrons go for recycling. No problem.
OK, I'm using TBird to access my @att.net account. AT&T only SUPPORTS their WEBMAIL service. So, even though I'm telling TBird to download my email - and - telling AT&T services to delete it - instead - the emails are being downloaded then they are moved to the TRASH folder. THEN to delete from - THEIR - TRASH folder, you have to login to their WEBMAIL service and then delete them from the trash folder. In the past, TBird would download them - and - tell AT&T to delete them - which would really happen. Which is the whole point about using an email client - they are NOT stored on any "cloud" server. -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding (314) 838-5587 / dahechler@att.net / www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com Home & Business user of Linux - 13 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/25/2013 09:25 AM, Duaine Hechler wrote:
On 10/25/2013 09:12 AM, Billie Walsh wrote:
On 10/24/2013 11:15 PM, Duaine Hechler wrote:
openSUSE 12.2 / Thunderbird 24.0.1
In TBird (a) download messages is checked (b) Leave message on server is UNcheck -
yet, after they are downloaded to TBird, on webmail, they are transferred to the Trash folder.
P.S. AT&T - swears - it's NOT their side !
TIA, Duaine
I'm not sure I understand the problem. That's how the system works. When you download your e-mail it is sent to trash. When you delete spam it goes to trash. A day or two later it all disappears from trash. It's kind of a backup in case you delete something and need it. If you don't collect it it just goes wherever used electrons go for recycling. No problem.
OK, I'm using TBird to access my @att.net account. AT&T only SUPPORTS their WEBMAIL service. So, even though I'm telling TBird to download my email - and - telling AT&T services to delete it - instead - the emails are being downloaded then they are moved to the TRASH folder. THEN to delete from - THEIR - TRASH folder, you have to login to their WEBMAIL service and then delete them from the trash folder.
In the past, TBird would download them - and - tell AT&T to delete them - which would really happen.
Which is the whole point about using an email client - they are NOT stored on any "cloud" server.
BUT, they do get deleted in a day or two. I don't know if it is on a database size or time limit, but they do go away. I use the same service and some days I have hundreds in the trash folder and the next time I look its down to just a handfull. I just looked and my trash folder says 999+. None are older than last Sunday. I do not delete my trash folder. Maybe it auto-deletes weekly. I don't see it as an issue. I have nothing to hide. If anyone wants to read my e-mails all it will do is bore them to death. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/25/2013 10:14 AM, Billie Walsh wrote:
On 10/25/2013 09:25 AM, Duaine Hechler wrote:
On 10/25/2013 09:12 AM, Billie Walsh wrote:
On 10/24/2013 11:15 PM, Duaine Hechler wrote:
openSUSE 12.2 / Thunderbird 24.0.1
In TBird (a) download messages is checked (b) Leave message on server is UNcheck -
yet, after they are downloaded to TBird, on webmail, they are transferred to the Trash folder.
P.S. AT&T - swears - it's NOT their side !
TIA, Duaine
I'm not sure I understand the problem. That's how the system works. When you download your e-mail it is sent to trash. When you delete spam it goes to trash. A day or two later it all disappears from trash. It's kind of a backup in case you delete something and need it. If you don't collect it it just goes wherever used electrons go for recycling. No problem.
OK, I'm using TBird to access my @att.net account. AT&T only SUPPORTS their WEBMAIL service. So, even though I'm telling TBird to download my email - and - telling AT&T services to delete it - instead - the emails are being downloaded then they are moved to the TRASH folder. THEN to delete from - THEIR - TRASH folder, you have to login to their WEBMAIL service and then delete them from the trash folder.
In the past, TBird would download them - and - tell AT&T to delete them - which would really happen.
Which is the whole point about using an email client - they are NOT stored on any "cloud" server.
BUT, they do get deleted in a day or two. I don't know if it is on a database size or time limit, but they do go away. I use the same service and some days I have hundreds in the trash folder and the next time I look its down to just a handfull. I just looked and my trash folder says 999+. None are older than last Sunday. I do not delete my trash folder. Maybe it auto-deletes weekly.
I don't see it as an issue. I have nothing to hide. If anyone wants to read my e-mails all it will do is bore them to death.
You are missing the point - I DON'T WANT THEM THERE AT ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding (314) 838-5587 / dahechler@att.net / www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com Home & Business user of Linux - 13 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Duaine Hechler wrote:
You are missing the point - I DON'T WANT THEM THERE AT ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then you can't use an email server. Those messages are stored until you retrieve & delete them anyway. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/25/2013 03:03 PM, Duaine Hechler wrote:
On 10/25/2013 10:14 AM, Billie Walsh wrote:
On 10/25/2013 09:25 AM, Duaine Hechler wrote:
On 10/25/2013 09:12 AM, Billie Walsh wrote:
On 10/24/2013 11:15 PM, Duaine Hechler wrote:
openSUSE 12.2 / Thunderbird 24.0.1
In TBird (a) download messages is checked (b) Leave message on server is UNcheck -
yet, after they are downloaded to TBird, on webmail, they are transferred to the Trash folder.
P.S. AT&T - swears - it's NOT their side !
TIA, Duaine
I'm not sure I understand the problem. That's how the system works. When you download your e-mail it is sent to trash. When you delete spam it goes to trash. A day or two later it all disappears from trash. It's kind of a backup in case you delete something and need it. If you don't collect it it just goes wherever used electrons go for recycling. No problem.
OK, I'm using TBird to access my @att.net account. AT&T only SUPPORTS their WEBMAIL service. So, even though I'm telling TBird to download my email - and - telling AT&T services to delete it - instead - the emails are being downloaded then they are moved to the TRASH folder. THEN to delete from - THEIR - TRASH folder, you have to login to their WEBMAIL service and then delete them from the trash folder.
In the past, TBird would download them - and - tell AT&T to delete them - which would really happen.
Which is the whole point about using an email client - they are NOT stored on any "cloud" server.
BUT, they do get deleted in a day or two. I don't know if it is on a database size or time limit, but they do go away. I use the same service and some days I have hundreds in the trash folder and the next time I look its down to just a handfull. I just looked and my trash folder says 999+. None are older than last Sunday. I do not delete my trash folder. Maybe it auto-deletes weekly.
I don't see it as an issue. I have nothing to hide. If anyone wants to read my e-mails all it will do is bore them to death.
You are missing the point - I DON'T WANT THEM THERE AT ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm afraid you will have to get another e-mail service then. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Shortly after I sent this reply my trash folder dropped to five. The last five messages that Thunderbird downloaded. I did NOT delete the trash folder. On 10/25/2013 09:25 AM, Duaine Hechler wrote:
On 10/25/2013 09:12 AM, Billie Walsh wrote:
On 10/24/2013 11:15 PM, Duaine Hechler wrote:
openSUSE 12.2 / Thunderbird 24.0.1
In TBird (a) download messages is checked (b) Leave message on server is UNcheck -
yet, after they are downloaded to TBird, on webmail, they are transferred to the Trash folder.
P.S. AT&T - swears - it's NOT their side !
TIA, Duaine
I'm not sure I understand the problem. That's how the system works. When you download your e-mail it is sent to trash. When you delete spam it goes to trash. A day or two later it all disappears from trash. It's kind of a backup in case you delete something and need it. If you don't collect it it just goes wherever used electrons go for recycling. No problem.
OK, I'm using TBird to access my @att.net account. AT&T only SUPPORTS their WEBMAIL service. So, even though I'm telling TBird to download my email - and - telling AT&T services to delete it - instead - the emails are being downloaded then they are moved to the TRASH folder. THEN to delete from - THEIR - TRASH folder, you have to login to their WEBMAIL service and then delete them from the trash folder.
In the past, TBird would download them - and - tell AT&T to delete them - which would really happen.
Which is the whole point about using an email client - they are NOT stored on any "cloud" server.
BUT, they do get deleted in a day or two. I don't know if it is on a database size or time limit, but they do go away. I use the same service and some days I have hundreds in the trash folder and the next time I look its down to just a handfull. I just looked and my trash folder says 999+. None are older than last Sunday. I do not delete my trash folder. Maybe it auto-deletes weekly. I don't see it as an issue. I have nothing to hide. If anyone wants to read my e-mails all it will do is bore them to death. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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