On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 19:49 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
Kevin Dupuy wrote:
On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 16:03 +0100, Clayton wrote:
I'll go for not throwing up dependency errors if uninstalling, but it definitely needs to be in the default install. Most users will want Beagle. I doubt this - all the users we have hate beagle and either remove it or ask someone to remove it for them. Exactly. Other than a few on this mailing list, I have yet to meet ANYONE who likes or uses Beagle. The issue is not whether or not these people do or do not use a desktop search tool... it's because of the major performance impact that happens when Beagle is running.
I can really see the usefulness of the concept behind Beagle... especially for a few end users that I know and help out from time to time. The trade off though... The system performance impact they are all reporting is consistent... and it's consistent with my experience.
To those that say open a bug report... open it and say what? Beagle is too slow? Devs will want specifics (and rightly so). I have no specifics other than to say that Beagle is not suitable to be used on a regular basis because of the performance impact I and every one else I know have experienced.... which is basically what almost everyone here is saying... minus the few who do have Beagle working fine.
I would like to know how they managed it... if the answer is something along the lines of "I opened a terminal, su to root, nice -19ed it and then issue this other long string of commands..."... sorry... that tells me that Beagle should not be given to the masses by default. If it works by default, then why is it working for you and not the rest of us? What is different? I install a default install as given me by the openSUSE installer and Beagle is consistently a resource hog... not only on initial boot, but long long after as well. This is the same (in my experience) on clean installs with no user data, and on my desktop with its 1.2TB of legacy data across 7 drives. Something doesn't make sense here.
C.
I've had about 10 people installed openSUSE on their computer, (mainly family members), told them to contact me if anything happens, and NONE of them have complained about openSUSE being slow on their computers. These are normal users, who use their computers after coming home from work and to do things normal home users do, listen to music, surf the web, check email, chat, write word processor stuff, etc.
What am I saying? I think that most users use Beagle, or don't have a complaint with the speed of the system.
Perhaps all the main commenters here should subscribe to the Beagle mailing list, and have this discussion there. Otherwise, I don;t see what the point of having this discussion on the openSUSE list is.
I seriously doubt that the beagle devs are clueless about the lousy performance of the software -- the web is full of complaints from hither and yon
For the love of all that is good and holy about our mailing list... WILL YOU PLEASE TAKE THIS INCESSANT BITCHING to the Beagle mailing list??? I'm tired of a) this constant repetition of an old thread when not all of us have a problem, yet it is taking up half the mailing list messages on a daily basis lately and b) all it does is just encourage Aaron to whine on and on and we get filled with delayed delivery messages from his woe-be-gone messaging system. Tired of this nonsense already. Move on or take action where it is appropriate already people! -- ---Bryen--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org