-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 James Ogley wrote:
And now, the "general problem": I just don't see ex-Ximian people involved into openSUSE at all.
I see quite a few of them involved in some way or other, but when the
By "involved", I meant being on this mailing-list and/or on opensuse-packaging. Besides a few of them being aggregated on http://planetsuse.org, I don't think I've seen them directly involved in any way. It would be a pleasure to be corrected if I'm wrong ;)
decision was taken by SUSE that it was going to be 2.12 in 10.1, what were they supposed to do? Try to slip 2.14 into the build system and hope no-one noticed?
No, of course not, it's perfectly fine to have GNOME 2.12 ship with the 10.1 release as feature freeze already happened before 2.14 was out. It's a bit unfortunate from the timing, and same happened to KDE (shipping 3.5.1 although 3.5.2 was released shortly after the feature freeze), but that's OK. I mean, no chance of managing a release if you don't make a feature freeze at some point. That's not what I'm talking about, the release is fine. The issue is that GNOME 2.14 is not available in GNOME supplementary, neither for 10.1 nor for 10.0. KDE 3.5.2 has been released roughly at around the same time (more or less) and has been available in KDE supplementary for quite some time (at least for 10.0 - builds for 10.1 have been provided a week after 10.1 release). Actually, KDE 3.5.2 was released March 28, and GNOME 2.14 was on March 15. What I can't understand is that with acquiring Ximian, you'd expect Novell to be _the_ GNOME driver (as Ximian was). Sure, I guess a good part of the Ximian developers who were working on GNOME are now busy with other tasks (e.g. NetworkManager and Zen), but still. It just doesn't make any sense to me that the company that has some if not most of the lead developers of GNOME (as well as the GNOME project lead) on its payroll does not have up-to-date GNOME packages for its very own Linux distribution. So either my assumptions are wrong and the former Ximian staff is not involved in GNOME development any more, or providing an up-to-date GNOME is extremely low priority at Novell and those folks are using Ubuntu or Fedora Core on their workstations.
Now that 10.1 is out, I suspect we can expect to see 2.14 or 2.15 appear in supplementary (can I just say, I'd prefer to see 2.14, at least at first - good to have something mostly stable in there, but 2.15 in Factory would be good, we can aim to have 2.16 in 10.2).
GNOME 2.14 has been released March 15, 2 months ago.
How can we explain to SUSE users that Ubuntu or Fedora Core comes with
GNOME 2.14, but SUSE Linux doesn't provide it as an upgrade path,
although it does for KDE 3.5.2 ?
It's been asked quite frequently, which is understandable, as it doesn't
make sense to me either. And frankly, I really don't know what to
answer, which is why I've posted that mail.
If there's some good reason to it, fine, but to say the least, it would
be nice to know why.
Don't forget we're the ones who are on the first line with the community
and the SUSE Linux users.
cheers
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