On Saturday 27 September 2008 12:34:47 am Basil Chupin wrote:
Anders Johansson wrote:
On Thursday 25 September 2008 09:15:45 Basil Chupin wrote:
Selecting the packman repo. in the YaST repository manager is what I did. Whatever is shown in the repository manager is what I am using --- *except* that I had to add recently the *qt4* repository - as per some posting from a Novell employee - ie, an "official" posting - to be able to have zypper complete its work.
The only such message I have seen is from Dirk Müller, and it was regarding the updated KDE packages from the build service - i.e. you already had an unsupported channel and you had to subscribe to another to make it keep working
The updated KDE packages are nice, and I use them daily. But they are nevertheless in a channel which is intended for testing of bleeding edge packages. They still shouldn't break, but with bleeding edge packages, you have to be prepared for it
Then don't put them in the list of available repositories in YaST for selection.
Why not? A lot of people use them. It is just a list that allows easy inclusion in package management it doesn't mean that the listed repos are as tested as 3 officially supported repositories, oss, non-oss and update. Instead of persisting in redefinition of what is official and what not, it will make your life easier to accept explanations. They are given by people that have good intentions.
You may also want to rename such, or similar, repositories as EXPERIMENTAL ONLY.
State of software in Factory [1] is changing from highly volatile in time when new version development is starting, to release quality before new version release, so glowing 'experimental' is not appropriate to be attached all the time. That is the reason someone wrote article about Factory [1] http://en.opensuse.org/Factory .
If you put a half-baked version of KDE4 into an OFFICIAL release and also make available the repository/ies which upgrade this half-baked Desktop application then please don't come out by attacking a user for not being "prepared for it" when using the half-baked application and having it being upgraded with tools made available in YaST.
All that I can read is warning to be ready for some problems, or question why you are not [2]. Attack is a bit more than explicitly expressed disappointment with your persistence in attempt to redefine what is considered official and what not [3].
It's not possible to operate honestly using a basis of dishonesty.
Simple, but then, moms are not always honest. Kids have to do some things before they can understand why, and that is where moms are forced to use basically dishonest methods. ************************************************************************* [1] Factory is fancy name for openSUSE development repository, and as any development it has some rules how to use it, different from normal repositories. Advice to use KDE4 Factory can't be taken out of time frame it was given, but that is valid for many other advices in technical lists that doesn't relate to Factory. [2] If you want stable system that offers just security updates and bugfixes for most annoying bugs, that it should be used only 3 well tested (official) repositories, anything else is there for user convenience, and quality level can vary a lot. That is the reason for development of the trust system http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/Concepts/Trust but how "easy" is to solve problem you can see from links included in article. [3] Trying to define what is official and what not, you stretch your position too far. You, me and many more, including many of Novell paid developers, can't say a word about what will be done on company time, and that is only difference between officially supported repositories, and non-official. All software is AS IS and that doesn't make a difference. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org