On Tuesday 31 May 2011 17:17:27 Anton Aylward wrote:
We've argued about Akonadi/Nepomuk/Strigi a few times. I have friend who was loudly about "Ontological Systems" and claim that this represents one, but I have my doubts.
I regularly kill off the akonadi process tree after booting. I'd like to 'zypper remove' it, but it seems to bound in to other things.
But I use Thunderbird and Firefox and Lightening so the PIM side of it is no use to me. I use thunderbird via an IMAP link to my mail hub on a separate machine. I have no use for KDE PIM and don't foresee every having any.
The closest use I can see is my directory of PDFs. I save interesting web pages as PDFs (firefox is nice about that) Right now I use mindmaps with short descriptions and links to navigate that. A Wiki might be nicer but I'd still want graphical support. But I have an ordered filing system and I remember where I put stuff! Its just that with so much of it the question arises: which has the most relevant content?
I've seen many mention that Kfind (or find or grep-R) does a better job (though not for PDFs) and that is so for me for everything else. I've seen mention that the KDE development is drifting from user needs. I'm not sure it is; what I do and what I see in other parts of the system, is that things are getting too heavily linked. The architecture is bound rather than pluggable. Many packages drag in other packages that you don't want, aren't going to use, even when the low level code bindings aren't there.
I realise that the semantic desktop is only a small part of KDE. I like the rest: plasma, the multitudes of improvements and new features made to the various individual applications. I like being able to show multiple folders on my desktop, and I like the changes to the widget framework.
Is there no way I can decouple this? Why do I have to have all this stuff I'm not going to use? What has happened to my ability to pick and choose?
And NO I DON"T WANT TO USE GNOME!
Neither do I, and I want KDE, if it's always being painted as overly configurable, to actuallly live up to that. So my apologies for the late response, I've been busy writing code and have let the community facing part of my job slide a bit. Briefly, Akonadi and Nepomuk middleware are standard parts of the KDE platform and will be enabled on a standard openSUSE installation. However they are only loosely part of the platform and it should be possible for anyone to uncouple them without radical surgery or anyone getting red in the face. At the same time, we don't want to go so far in being configurable as to ruin the user experience by showing umpteen 'Disable this feature' dialogs on first run (I recently booted the Lenovo installation of Windows 7 on a new Thinkpad and was horrified/elated by the number of scary questions asked on first run). We could go further in making a middleware-free installation possible at the packaging level by splitting packages further along middleware runtime dependency lines, but this takes time and effort. Dependency discovery work and then specfile patches would be appreciated. For now, you can set [QMYSQL]StartServer=false in ~/.config/akonadi/akonadiserverrc to prevent Akonadi from being started by anything on demand, and [Basic Settings]Start Nepomuk=false in ~/.kde4/share/config/nepomukserverrc . As a result you'll lose Activities in Plasma, as well as KDE PIM and deep search in Dolphin that you already mentioned. HTH Will -- Will Stephenson, openSUSE Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org