On 2016-10-07 21:34, John Andersen wrote:
On 10/07/2016 11:15 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The difference is that it is not normal that they release to the general public an unfinished or beta product, which is what has been done here several times, like with kde4.
While its certainly true that beta things like KDE4 and BTRFS have been released "experimentally" upon opensuse users, we here on this list have always known that OpenSuse was a development platform for SLES/SLED under prior ownership.
Yes, that is my belief too, but it has always been denied from "up somewhere" :-p But my point was that on the proprietary camp they never do that, or at least I'm not aware of it. Instead they recruit Beta testers that have to sign up somewhere so that they are aware that they are testing and using a Beta product. After all, you would not pay to use a Beta, you pay for a "finished" product. And you typically have to pay for the next version that should have significant changes.
Whether this persists with Leap remains to be seen. If I just bought a brand name, I would be interested in protecting that asset and making sure the kinds in the yard didn't trash the trash the house again.
No, that role now is in Tumbleweed, which has a much bigger user base that the old Factory ever had.
We knew we were getting beta. We kind of expected it. We knew we were a testbed.
The innocent linux tourist on the street ended up the victim of this policy and soon wanders off elsewhere cursing both Opensuse and KDE4.
Yep.
This was always done by making these experiments the DEFAULT selection without so much as a word of warning, and then when that blew up in their face, insisting nobody forced that choice on the user.
Yep. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)