This is opensuse list. Most of the members here, I guess, are not reading factory list. I never understood why people have to reference to the factory list (except if it is a direct link to a specific message). It is nonsene.
And.. what's your point? I listen in on the Factory list... and all I was doing is letting the OP know that this was discussed on the Factory list. Nothing more. I wasn't suggesting that the OP should be subscribed there.. if it was interpreted that way... well.... that was not the intention.
It's basically lived out most of its life. X has a relatively robust autodetect now... it works in 99% of the cases. I can't understand these types of explanations either. What does it mean "lived out most of its life"? It can not be stated until it is still required by users and functional. (Similarly it is said by some that KDE3 lived out its life, and it is not true either.)
Simple... in most cases it's not needed anymore.. thus it's lived out most of its life. You can phrase it however you want, but the reality is that it is an old technology that is being replaced by soemthing newer and frankly easier to use. I'm not a dev, just a user relaying that info that I read on the Factory mailing list. If you don't like it.. take it up with the devs.
Furthermore the autodetect method just does not work. I had to configure 7 or 8 monitors recently, and the autodect method failed every time. It is not 1 % or less. The autodect method forces a given setup and does not let you choose. How the autodectect method could find out what the resolution is I want to use? How can it find out if I want 1600x1200, 1280x960, 1024x768 or only 800x600? The autodetect method can not read anybody's thoughts. Why don't the system let the user select what he wants?
It does work and it does let you choose... if you stop trying to make it work the old way. You can chose your monitor resolution... I've already detailed where to go to do this... or use xrandr... it works fine on all monitors I've tried on.. TFT and CRT and LCD TVs. That said, yes there will be a few that won't work... if you happen to have one.. raise a bug. Seems pretty simple. As well.. if the autodetect doesn't work on your setup, then use sax2. it's still there... but again... it you're forced to drop back to sax2 then raise a bug. I just now (before replying) tested it on 3 different monitors, one being my Toshiba LCD 32" TV. In each case, it autodetected the monitor and set it up to the max resolution. In each case I could go into the Display settings and change that resolution to any one of the supported resolutions for that monitor by picking from a drop down list. I also set-up and tested multiple monitors and in each case (TFT and projector, TFT and LCD TV, etc etc) it detected and set up multi-monitor correctly. It was WAY easier than the old sax2 method.
I don not know why it is WAY better to configure a monitor to flicker than to not flicker? Can you explain it?
Sure... set your refresh rate higher. Where... in the same place you set your resolution.. in the Display part of the Configure window if your preferred Window Manager. It has the same basic setup options as sax2 does (I just compared the two on my computers), including a setting for refresh rates.
pick up on, but they are not all that common. If you have a config that is not working with the autodetect in X, then it needs to be raised as a bug so it can be fixed/added etc. This is completely nonsense. The issue is that the system forces you to accept something that may not be correct or according to your needs. This regards to not only opensuse but other distros too.
And.. your point? If it isn't working.. raise it with the developers and those that build openSUSE... or any other distro out there. They are ALL starting to use the autodetect in X. Your statement is complete nonsense, and a complete lack of willingness to actually try to see how the new way works. You are not forced to do anything.
Yes and at next login you have to set it again, since the system soulc not remember the stting (Xubuntu). But if it can you still might have a badly configured login window.
Huh? So you've problems with Xubuntu? So? And? openSUSE works fine. I can reboot, log out, log in... pull the second monitor cable etc etc, and autodetect hums right along no problem.
All in all I agree with the idea/goal that setup should be made automatically but completely disagree with removing tools used for adjusting settings according to users needs.
It's not removed. It's still there. It's just not linked in YaST and it is no longer being devloped/changed/improved/maintained by the dev guys. I would expect it to be completely removed in a future openSUSE release. Sigh.. this whole discussion reminds me of the same discussion that came up when hal was introduced and the oldschool guys wailed about being forced to use hal instead of manually mounting... C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org