2008/10/28 Larry Stotler
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:23 AM, Andreas Jaeger
wrote: A lot of issues that people complained about have been resolved, see the link at the bottom of the page. The KDE developers have indeed fixed many of these.
Yes, but again, in what version and the real question is what version of KDe4 are most people running? How many have added the KDE4 buildservice and updated it fully? For those just now getting 11.0 and seeing KDE4.04, are they going to KNOW that a lot of what they feel is missing has been added. That's the problem with pushing KDE4.
Exactly. The problem is with distros (suse included) pushing software that is not yet user-ready. KDE cannot be blamed for that.
If you are active in the community and knowledgeable enough to add the newest updates, then you are probably doing ok. If you aren't, then you get disgusted with something that isn't up to snuff, and come away with a bad taste about it.
With a bad taste of Suse, or a bad taste of KDE 4? (I already know the answer, but I put it in perspective of where the blame should lie).
Looking at the six mentioned items most are so vague that nobody can do anything with them right now, so please be really specific.
That's because we were all too busy arguing over it that nobody thought to do something constructive to try to get things to where some of us need it.
Correct. So please add the features that you are missing to that page. You can plainly see that I am maintaining it and filing issues. It cannot get any easier for you than that.
To be honest, maybe there should be remasters of the KDE4 livecds from 11.0 that have some of the newest KDE4 builds. Yes, it means more work, but at least people could then take a look at the changes. And, yes, Beta3 has the newest updates, but how many people want to run a Beta? While it's probably stable(and I will find out if I can ever get a chance to run what I have downloaded.....), it's still a turn off to the majority.
I'm not against KDE4 IF it can deliver. So far, it hasn't, but I'm basing it on my experiences(and limited ones) on older versions....KDE3 just works for me(other than getting rid of the opensuse menu - talk about being like vista) with few mods. Most of those are turning off eye candy amd slightly rearranging the taskbar to remove the extra desktops and add the hide buttons.
I look at the list of "improvements" and see nothing that interests me. But, that's my opinion and my prerogative. Others obviously feel different.
For that same reason my daily driver remains KDE 3.5 which is a stable, maintained desktop with an active community of developers. KDE 3.5.10 was just released some weeks ago and isn't going anywhere anytime soon. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü