On Thu, Dec 08, 2011 at 05:28:28PM +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
Lars Müller wrote:
On Thu, Dec 08, 2011 at 02:58:22PM +0100, Per Jessen wrote: [ 8< ]
It seems to me that at most it is a question of adding a tickbox that says "Simplified installation", and amending the installation process to whatever we think is simple. We already have a tickbox for "automatic configuration" that works in a similar way.
No, no, and one more no.
Cause a beginner doesn't know that this simplified installation mode is good for beginners. I consider it also bad from the psycho motivation. Who is willing to be a beginner? As soon as you decided to go the expert way and then something goes wrong it's much easier to understand. For a person used to use Linux it's much, much easiert to decide against the default workflow.
Yes, yes and one more yes. :-) We're talking about two different things - you seem to be talking about changing the default, I'm _only_ proposing adding another installation flow.
"another" = additional? To make the matrix even more complex? I might not get your approach. But by adding yet another dialog and asking the user if it is a simplified guy and likes to run the the simplified installation workflow we even add one more question and also risk to annoy the advanced users too.
I agree that changing the default is going to be an uphill struggle (I'll leave that to you) and not in line with our strategy, but offering a simplified installation path is perfectly possible.
Sorry, what is our strategy you have in mind? Why do you consider this an uphill struggle? And why do you think you can leave that up to me? A simplified install workflow isn't only possible. I consider it as within reach. This is mainly a question of checking which dialogs are really needed. It's already possible to mostly only click the botton labled next without entering anything. And a beginner doesn't care about KDE or Gnome. The network configuration is mostly driven by a DHCP server. I moved the gathered input to https://features.opensuse.org/313062 There I've added even a reference to the beginning of this thread. Feel free to vote. I volunteer to help if someone of the community likes to work on this. Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany