Sorry Scott, this was meant to go to the list:
Pardon the blathering rant, but...
Thanks for the link to a report I'm sorry I overlooked earlier -- and
probably would have largely ignored anyway, prior to up/degrading from
9.2 to 9.3.
Now, I have wonder when we'll start seeing the Novell Linux Desktop in
SaiGon's pirate CDs market? ( Just joking. It'll be here soon enough without my
help.)
Either way, if others' experiences here with 9.3 are anything like
mine, I suspect SuSE Linux 9.3 will help push a lot of people either
back to Windows or further the trend in Asia towards favouring Debian.
(cf "Rising Asian Support For Debian Linux",
http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3486921)
I was teaching GNU/Linux to folks here, first using SuSE 9.1 and
Knoppix or vnlinux (a Vietnamese-localized version of Knoppix). Then i
upgraded 18 ancient workstations and an in-class server to SuSE 9.2,
rewardingly.
Then i upgraded this prehistoric IBM ThinkPad 600x to 9.3, and KDE
looked great but USB-drive mounting, sound and networking were all
broken. Only a time-consuming set of back-ups and a fresh installation
would bring back networking to a state where i could at least download
the limited-distribution multimedia "option" packs necessary to at
least get *potential* mp3 support, the alsaplayer, etc, etc back.
But SuSE 9.3 still can't mount my Kingston USB stick and the only
sound i've gotten out of it so far has been from the PC speaker.
Windows 2000 and Knoppix 3.7 still work without a hitch on the same box.
Soooo..., without even reading The Inquirer's review of SuSE 9.3, I'd
have to say, at least the headline (all that most folks will read) is
right.
Still, i'm no less ready to learn how to fix it and i too still hope
SuSE Desktop will rise to challenge both Windows and (pardon the slur)
RedSHat.
And, like the MadPenguin, i too salute Novell/SuSE for restoring mp3
and other multimedia support to 9.3 after following RedSHat's stance
on disabling all mp3 support after RH9.? -- a choice that turned me
off R(S)H forever.
(See the comprehensive, well-balanced, well-referenced MadPenguin
review at http://madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=3851)
-- Semiotic Sig' --
AD (Andi) Marshall
SighGone, VietNam
admarshall@gmail.com
*-- Semiotics --*
adm@[mp3-ogg-howto - mp3-howto]$ uname -a
Linux tpad01 2.6.11.4-20a-default #1 Wed Mar 23 21:52:37 UTC 2005 i686
i686 i386 GNU/Linux
adm@[Alsa-sound-mini-HOWTO - alsa-project.org]$ cat /etc/SuSE-release
SuSE Linux 9.3 (i586)
VERSION = 9.3
<...>
root@[~]# grep -EIri "(error|fail|warn|refus|can't|cannot)"
/var/log/YaST2/y2log* | wc -l
404
[Coincidental implication: SuSE Linux 9.3 is 404 -- aka, MIA]
Pardon the blathering rant, but...
Thanks for the link to a report I'm sorry I overlooked earlier -- and
probably would have largely ignored anyway, prior to up/degrading from
9.2 to 9.3.
Now, I have wonder when we'll start seeing the Novell Linux Desktop in
SaiGon's pirate CDs market? ( Just joking. It'll be here soon enough without my
help.)
Either way, if others' experiences here with 9.3 are anything like
mine, I suspect SuSE Linux 9.3 will help push a lot of people either
back to Windows or further the trend in Asia towards favouring Debian.
(cf "Rising Asian Support For Debian Linux",
http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3486921)
I was teaching GNU/Linux to folks here, first using SuSE 9.1 and
Knoppix or vnlinux (a Vietnamese-localized version of Knoppix). Then i
upgraded 18 ancient workstations and an in-class server to SuSE 9.2,
rewardingly.
Then i upgraded this prehistoric IBM ThinkPad 600x to 9.3, and KDE
looked great but USB-drive mounting, sound and networking were all
broken. Only a time-consuming set of back-ups and a fresh installation
would bring back networking to a state where i could at least download
the limited-distribution multimedia "option" packs necessary to at
least get *potential* mp3 support, the alsaplayer, etc, etc back.
But SuSE 9.3 still can't mount my Kingston USB stick and the only
sound i've gotten out of it so far has been from the PC speaker.
Windows 2000 and Knoppix 3.7 still work without a hitch on the same box.
Soooo..., without even reading The Inquirer's review of SuSE 9.3, I'd
have to say, at least the headline (all that most folks will read) is
right.
Still, i'm no less ready to learn how to fix it and i too still hope
SuSE Desktop will rise to challenge both Windows and (pardon the slur)
RedSHat.
And, like the MadPenguin, i too salute Novell/SuSE for restoring mp3
and other multimedia support to 9.3 after following RedSHat's stance
on disabling all mp3 support after RH9.? -- a choice that turned me
off R(S)H forever.
(See the comprehensive, well-balanced, well-referenced MadPenguin
review at http://madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=3851)
-- Semiotic Sig' --
AD (Andi) Marshall
SighGone, VietNam
admarshall@gmail.com
*-- Semiotics --*
adm@[mp3-ogg-howto - mp3-howto]$ uname -a
Linux tpad01 2.6.11.4-20a-default #1 Wed Mar 23 21:52:37 UTC 2005 i686
i686 i386 GNU/Linux
adm@[Alsa-sound-mini-HOWTO - alsa-project.org]$ cat /etc/SuSE-release
SuSE Linux 9.3 (i586)
VERSION = 9.3
<...>
root@[~]# grep -EIri "(error|fail|warn|refus|can't|cannot)"
/var/log/YaST2/y2log* | wc -l
404
[Coincidental implication: SuSE Linux 9.3 is 404 -- aka, MIA]
On 4/29/05, Scott Leighton
On Thursday 28 April 2005 8:40 pm, Colin Carter wrote:
*** I am still keeping my chin up for SuSE, but would rather see it made more robust (bugs removed) than see new functionality added, and I want to see it "lick the pants off" M$
Thing is, that's not Novell's vision for SuSE Pro. You want robustness, stability, ease of use, then Novell Linux Desktop is the product you want, not SuSE Pro.
They've articulated their vision quite clearly here....
http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/14736.html
From what I can tell, they are *not* looking to take on M$ in the consumer market. They are after the enterprise market, desktops and servers.
Scott
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