On 17/07/17 04:30, Wols Lists wrote:
On 16/07/17 18:32, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
IMHO Richard has a point, possibly poorly made. This list, with a mission of offering support to both new-bees and gray-beards, really doesn't need nastiness and flame wars. Heated theoretical discussions about the UNIX Philosophy, while interesting, probably aren't what a new-comer wants to hear. Someone offered the suggestion of creating a new mailing list, maybe entitled systemd-design, or something. Couldn't Per do that in a few seconds?
But would all the systemd advocates/detractors go there? My experience on a list was that when they tried to push "off topic" stuff to different it didn't work. It just killed the off-topic traffic stone dead, and the result is now a "dull as ditchwater" technical list :-(
It's a hard problem to solve.
Also, I have some experience working within a volunteer organization. I've learned it remarkably difficult to channel volunteers to do what they don't want. Pushing a string comes to mind. Volunteer's energies and morale are better lead by encouragement and example. Threats of any kind just trigger a stampede for the exits. I hope no one abandons us, just when I started to make the case for a new group of technical people to dump Windows and join us.
And who says a stampede for the exits is a bad thing? I haven't read any of the systemd thread but it does seem to have gone rather rogue :-) and maybe we don't want the participants here ...
I have no wish to keep this thread going for no reason but your statement just cannot be ignored.
If you haven't read the systemd thread then what are you doing here making a comment on something you claim to know nothing about?!
(there is plenty of evidence that activists search out threads, and will join the group/list/forum specifically to participate :-(
And from this particular thread, I get the very strong impression that people are complaining that Richard is doing his job ...
I think you had better read my Signature at the bottom of my post (below) -- if your mail client allows you to see it. If not then ask me and I will send a copy to you privately.
If this is a technical support group, then I would much rather that the systemd advocates/detractors are driven off (because they don't belong here),
Once again you seem to display an amount of ignorance about the thread. A discussion (ad hominems excluded) about systemd _IS_ on topic because it is dealing with a technical issue.
than that the list is closed. If the openSUSE people have set this up as a support forum, then it's their right to tell abusers of the forum to "bugger off".
It seems to be the elephant in the room that anybody who wishes to provide a support service to the public is expected to put up with any kook/weirdo/nutter who wishes to abuse said service to their own ends :-(