On Saturday 26 January 2008 00:06:02 Billie Walsh wrote:
On Friday 25 January 2008 11:58:30 Billie Walsh wrote:
On 01/24/2008 Jonathan Ervine wrote: <yet more snipping> Unlike some people I DO NOT keep every e-mail that comes through every list I'm on. I read and delete. If it's something that I feel is important I will save it to another folder. If it's REALLY important I will print it. "Threading" would do no good because there is nothing to "thread". Nothing in my "Trash" folder is over three days old. It automatically deletes anything over that. If I don't need it in three days I don't need it at all. I also don't read every
Jonathan Ervine wrote: header line for line. In fact all I see in the header field is Subject, From, Date, To. My preference.
Fair enough - I didn't know (and couldn't have known) how your email client/threading preferences are set up. Likewise you couldn't know mine. Your email appeared in a thread in the list as an immediate reply to a Linux kernel developer. And I really don't want to get into a posting/threading discussion...
Average Joe User doesn't want to jump through hoops to make it work. He just wants a computer that he can turn on and EVERYTHING works without hastles.
Then use the nv, radeon, Intel drivers for video and check the hardware before purchase? Even on Windows EVERYTHING doesn't work without hassles - you still have to install vendor supplied drivers or visit websites to install drivers. (Possibly, at a stretch, Macs provide the computing nirvana you're seeking)
Big hassle. Plop in the CD that comes with whatever, click a few check box's, and it works. Bigger hassle, go to the web site and download a file. Run the file. Click a few check box's. It works.
OK - back to your original query: Atheros wireless. Repos enabled, add the madwifi.org repo (clicks in boxes). Software installed and hardware detected by YaST? TV cards - well, you said yourself, they're a poor alternative to television, but check with myth-tv for well supported cards prior to buying. As a general question, do Linux users not check whether their prospective purchase works? Video - use the in-kernel drivers. (I'm not talking 3D video by the way)
OK, OK, OK! I know it's not a "LINUX" problem. HOWEVER, it is a problem FOR Linux.
We do a little light tech support for a local ISP. I swear there are people out there that are just plain to stupid to even own a computer. About 90% are just barely able to turn one on and click the proper icon to start a program.
And these plain stupid people also have problems on Windows. The flip side to this wonderful, pop CD in and install the vendor drivers is all the other crap that they generally bundle with it that then gets installed also. As an example, I've seen a digital camera vendor install their own USB storage driver and some weird and wonderful photo management software. All very well, except when you plug in another USB storage device and it doesn't find the expected USB driver. Besides which, if a user has made the decision to go to Linux, they're surely at a beyond average user level, and/or have access to knowledge or a friend who can help them with these issues. I'd hate to see a Linux forced on a user through no choice of their own. A system supplied by your employed I view differently, as it's essentially a tool for your job. <yet more snipping>
I'm not complaining. Just stating fact.
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