2010. január 27. 2:57 napon Bob Smits <bob@rsmits.ca> írta:
On January 25, 2010 10:06:43 am Istvan Gabor wrote:
Why do KDE developers think that people who invested a lot of time to learn how to use KDE3 now will start this learning curve again? I am sure that my parents won't, they will keep using KDE3. Even if it isn't perfect there are no showstoppers in it for most of its users. KDE4 is full of showstoppers.
Yes, it was, and they're getting less and less. I refused to use KDE 4.0 and 4.1, found 4.2 barely usable and can tolerate KDE 4.3 reasonably well on my Lenovo laptop. It isn't nearly as polished as KDE 3.5.10 was, or as reliable and it does not have all the features KDE 3.5 had.
It certainly is now usable, however, and I expect when OpenSuse 11.3 comes out with KDE 4.4 comes out, I'll convert the other 4 computers I run.
And how could it happen that a distribution like SUSE/openSUSE which is/was (?) famous for its reliability, stability and user friendliness included that buggy, unstable KDE4 as default KDE, and expelled KDE3 to build service?
They like having the newest and latest in the distro to compete with other distros, they didn't realize how unuseable KDE 4 was, especially for power users, nor did they really know how annoyed and frustrated KDE 3.5.10 users would be.
I think the real advantage in a competition would be to revert to KDE3. Many of the competitors install KDE4 as well so all the stubborn KDE3 users would switch to openSUSE. (:
Second, they didn't dump KDE 3.5.10. They left it in until OpenSuse 11.1, and Yes, but they set KDE4 default. Unexperienced users choose the default and this makes the issue even worse, ie offering unstable, buggy desktop to unexperienced users (possibly newcomers).
you can still install it with 11.2 although it's more work now. Yes, and you have to maintain your own mirror or else you can not install older version in case of problems after an update. Very inconvenient. This is true for all build service repos and even for packman unfortunately.
Why the KDE developers claimed their less-than beta quality product stable back then, when KDE 4.2 came out? (Now they say that it will be stable, usable at version 4.2 in August.)
I wouldn't blame KDE for OpenSuse switching, in my view, prematurely. And I don't blame KDE in this regard. I just noted that they claimed that they product was stable and production quality, and claiming this they mislead many users. But I think openSUSE's responsibility is higher. A distro (not only openSUSE) can decide that a given product has or has not reached the quality required to be included in the distro. My personal opinion is that distros should have delayed shipping KDE4 apart from experimental option. In this case KDE team also could have been pressed to do nicer job. There would have been much less frustrations and needless discussions.
don't you mean KDE 4.4? We're using 4.3.4 now. Yes, I meant 4.4
Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org