On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 08:40:17AM -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 09/24/2014 02:15 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
I don't think the same about systemd so much any more after reading a few days ago this:
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-September/023294.ht...
That's excellent.
And when people like aaron resort to suggesting using tactics normally practised by terrorists groups such as the IRA of the 1970s on individuals who are part of the systemd development group, well that says a lot about them. Perhaps the Homeland Security people should be advised of this.
You can not trust 'engineers' with the decision making power over your system because they tend to have fundementally flawed views of what is and is not acceptable use and design for technology. The use and implementation of technology is, as a fact, a social and political question, and not a technological one. Never the less, despite rants to the contrary, a huge number of individuals didn't wake up on a Tuesday morning and just decide to "attack" the project of systemd. There is REAL cause for rejecting systemd. But the number one reason is that, aside from it being un-unix like, for whatever that is, but it is a huge POWER GRAB. A large number of well understood and well working tools have been absorbed in one fell swoop by systemd. Now that might be fine is say, postwar soviet East Germany, for my GNU system in NYC, I don't like it and I really don't like needing to needlessly relearn the root of the system to wrap it around this huge white elephant. That being said, I didn't ask this question to debate the merits of systemd, as few as there are. I'm not interested in systemd any more than I'm interested in Aqua, or Internet Explore and .Net. I've already made my decision about the merits and lack of merits of the program and I would like to remove it from my system, if I can. Ruben
Lennart Poettering is just one individual in that group. Assassinating him, be it by character or by shotgun as the violent-minded aaron advocates, will not halt systemd development.
Perhaps some people are too inclined to 'code' and don't understand how to use a declarative language rather than a procedural language. Perhaps that, too, is indicative of what schools and colleges are churning out as 'gunfodder' for the IT world these days.
Which is sad. Highly parallel programming, the kind that is going to be needed to deal with highly parallel programming, will be more concerned with a 'declarative' model, with triggers and events, than the old procedural code.
If the "UNIX Way" is limited to the models of "Software Tools" and other similar books then we are going to be stuck in what amounts to a stream-processing mode. That means the event-driven style needed to deal with GUIs as well as many real-time and 'headless' applications at which *NIX excels such as network processing, banking and finance and more don't fit any more than systemd fits. So obviously there's more to it than that. And that is why I think the 17 points in that article sum up 'The Unix Way" much better.
That the anti-systemd people like aaron feel they have to resort to using shotguns and physical violence tells me a lot: that they have failed in any argument based on reason and so must resort to violence. As one philosopher said: "Violence is the last resort of the incompetent".
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