Hi, On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, Andreas Girardet wrote:
A load balancer is pretty useless if you have noone to pay for N servers. I guess you are more drunken than me at the moment.
Firstly I do not drink any alcohol and am "always" sober and I have been so for years. The lucidity of my mind is more important to me than some short term dubious "fun" associated with alcohol. Secondly load balancers can be used to balance various sources distributed across the net. We could have our current mirror system used for that, of course all of the mirrors in the load balanced chain need to have the same directory structure. I know of large sites that do exactly that and use servers distributed around the world to distribute country specific load. They have a farm of reverser proxies and load balancers to create even load regardless of where you are. Maybe you are drunk, I am certainly not ever. A company like M$ does exactly that, granted on their own servers, but the same principle applies on servers that are not in the same data center.
Utah countee? ;-)) Oh, i am very sorry; I did not realize that you have physical defects which show you like drunken.
The issue is that if the main rsync server get's hit hard no one can mirror. This needs to be adressed.
I DID address that, I guess.
A 1 CD installer as I did it solves issues also, since that is all most users need. Single addon packages can be installed seperately
Not enough; we need "more discipline" from the distributors.
You know, my problem is the actual situation and not a future dream.
sure as I said I can sympathize and there is a short term solution:
1.) Have all mirrors rsync of a suse.com site. This site is not available to the general public and does only rsync
Impossible tonight. AND tomorrow.
2.) Have servers rsync, make sure iso's are mirrored first and the inst-source after!
I do it like that currently, even more differentiated. But nuts, I won't get it in time.
3.) Announce as soon as at least the iso's are available
Ha! We have a fixed schedule! During the whole last week, noone had the x86_64 and ppc ISOs ready but me.
4.) Allow the 1 cd install to be put on that system, or create an official one
Medium term I would suggest to use Net technology for the purpose it has been invented for. Balance load. F5 BigIP is a good example of excellent working systems.
I still have no reliable "companion" to deliver Beta3. Not to mention Beta4.
All 10.0 betas were too large for my RAM, and even with the trick to redirect all http://download.opensuse.org/*i386*iso requests to ftp.gwdg.de for getting tight enough buffer cache hits so that those isos never expired did not reach the 9.3 numbers.
the issue is that mirrors could not update from the main site in a reasonable time and that therefore everyone hit the main site. A dog that bites his own tail.
No, a SUSE dog that bites the GWDG tail.
:D
Tomorrow 10 am is the next beta release time, but I bet none of the mirrors will be ready at that time...
Correct. That is the issue and not that 9.3 was the last Net distribution. What an absurd statement. The last .. yeah right!
Come on, boy, I see the behaviour of all the Linux distributors day over day. SUSE is still more "disciplined" than Debian (hazardous childs - 60 GB at once!) and MandrXXX, but IT IS ALREADY TOO MUCH, with a tendency to grow if they do not wake up.
In fact it is TOO LATE to not have bad issues. Maybe you understand this. If not, you will experience it.
(Here seems some comment to be missing...)
No. The "hype" is far beyond 9.3 yet. But the situation is much more worse.
DUE TO THE IDIOTIC DISTRIBUTION SIZE!
Crazy! Far too big! Who can stand that, tell me or shut down!
hmmm .. I do agree that distro's are large, but this is just the nature of the beast. It is like complaining that air is so damn breathable. Why could it not stop to be breathable for a few seconds ..... damit. ;) Given how we pollute it might actually happen ....
OKay, smalltalk on... What a nice late summer night... I stamp you an idiot now until you prove the opposite to me.
1 CD iso's are the way to go, but certainly only alleviate the issue, since with more people 1 iso is still going to kill your server unless the above steps are not done.
With more people requesting a one-and-only-ISO. my server will laugh at all of them. Boy, I have served the whole world's full ISO i386 Beta3 set demands the last week, so I am sure I can stand a single-CD successor. But where is it? It seems you are residing on the moon. This is earth ("Hello, hello, is there anybody out there?"): -rw-r--r-- 1 emoenke ftp 108966837 2005-08-31 17:47 SUSE-10.0-CD-OSS-i386-Beta3_Beta4-CD1.delta.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 emoenke ftp 83147196 2005-08-31 17:47 SUSE-10.0-CD-OSS-i386-Beta3_Beta4-CD2.delta.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 emoenke ftp 28218816 2005-08-31 17:48 SUSE-10.0-CD-OSS-i386-Beta3_Beta4-CD3.delta.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 emoenke ftp 7408874 2005-08-31 17:48 SUSE-10.0-CD-OSS-i386-Beta3_Beta4-CD4.delta.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 emoenke ftp 634699776 2005-08-31 11:39 SUSE-10.0-CD-OSS-i386-Beta4-CD1.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 emoenke ftp 680435712 2005-08-31 11:40 SUSE-10.0-CD-OSS-i386-Beta4-CD2.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 emoenke ftp 696006656 2005-08-31 11:42 SUSE-10.0-CD-OSS-i386-Beta4-CD3.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 emoenke ftp 690325504 2005-08-31 11:43 SUSE-10.0-CD-OSS-i386-Beta4-CD4.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 emoenke ftp 565153792 2005-08-31 11:44 SUSE-10.0-CD-OSS-i386-Beta4-CD5.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 emoenke ftp 694886400 2005-08-31 16:22 SUSE-10.0-CD-OSS-ppc-Beta4-CD1.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 emoenke ftp 736358400 2005-08-31 16:23 SUSE-10.0-CD-OSS-ppc-Beta4-CD2.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 emoenke ftp 716580864 2005-08-31 16:24 SUSE-10.0-CD-OSS-ppc-Beta4-CD3.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 emoenke ftp 710164480 2005-08-31 16:27 SUSE-10.0-CD-OSS-ppc-Beta4-CD4.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 emoenke ftp 523134976 2005-08-31 16:28 SUSE-10.0-CD-OSS-ppc-Beta4-CD5.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 emoenke ftp 671660032 2005-08-31 12:42 SUSE-10.0-CD-OSS-x86_64-Beta4-CD1.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 emoenke ftp 717049856 2005-08-31 12:45 SUSE-10.0-CD-OSS-x86_64-Beta4-CD2.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 emoenke ftp 708734976 2005-08-31 12:46 SUSE-10.0-CD-OSS-x86_64-Beta4-CD3.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 emoenke ftp 690176000 2005-08-31 12:48 SUSE-10.0-CD-OSS-x86_64-Beta4-CD4.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 emoenke ftp 585314304 2005-08-31 12:49 SUSE-10.0-CD-OSS-x86_64-Beta4-CD5.iso And remember this is only the iso/ directory.
Totally without help, your whole statement. More worse than that: I feel misunderstood. Best would be I would panic my kernel and reboot not before monday...
Well maybe you should not be drunk when writing such email and you would be better understood ;)
We would need a "third party" to evaluate if I am right stating that "me drunken" is more earth-bound than you struggling to save the "lucidity of your mind". Not in sight, no interest at my side. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org)