On 10/28/2017 08:32 AM, Richard Brown wrote:
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On Saturday, 2017-10-28 at 15:15 +0200, Richard Brown wrote:
On 27 October 2017 at 17:37, Wols Lists <> wrote:
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For the majority of my time in the openSUSE Project, I chose not to be subscribed to this list because I was fed up of the 'hive of scum and villainy' that it had become.
I strongly object to your view of us. :-/ As a regular here, I would expect you to do so. But it's a very, very, common opinion held by the majority of the
On 28 October 2017 at 15:22, Carlos E. R.
wrote: people I have spoken to about this list. "What are you going to do about the mess in opensuse@" is a very common question raised at face to face meetings, such as openSUSE Conferences, for several years. And it is a common opinion expressed repeatedly by newcomers to the Project who have often approached me (first as a Board member years ago, and still since becoming Chairman), feeling that this list is a toxic stain upon the Project compared to the other communication channels which the project In the past, I used to just advise them to unsubscribe, as I had, and every other contributor I know had.
But now I feel obligated to do something about this list, that's why you see me and occasionally the odd other Board member trying our best to steer things in a more positive direction when things go off the rails.
It's exhausting work, and obviously it's not welcome by everyone here, but I can assure you that our efforts our grounded by very real concerns, by very real people. And I do like to think things are better today than they were 2 years ago, or 6 months ago.
But for some old timers the same old objections keep coming up, so I think it's fair to share a few home truths from beyond the bubble that is easy to get lost in if opensuse@ is your only view on the openSUSE Project.
Hope this helps,
Rich
Well, considering all the openSUSE group thinks all of us are just a "hive of scum" I suggest that all here find another distro that might appreciate new users. Just shut down the list and get it over with. Obviously scum aren't welcome. -- "The time has come," the Walrus said, "To talk of many things: Of shoes-and ships-and sealing-wax- Of cabbages-and kings-- And why the sea is boiling hot- And whether pigs have wings." Lewis Carroll _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org