On 7/16/2017 4:47 AM, Richard Brown wrote:
The firstname.lastname@example.org is meant to be a support mailinglist for the openSUSE distributions.
No one is being helped by the continuation of this thread or other ones like it.
Says... who? You? So what? Astonishingly, I quite disagree.
I respectfully request that the discussion of this topic ends and all of the people involved do not create, continue, or restart any discussion about the pros or cons of systemd on this mailinglist again.
Discussions that seek to practically help people with systemd issues are of course perfectly fine, but it is unacceptable to suggest removal of systemd on this list when it has been the only supported init system for months.
Religious discussions about whether systemd is good, or bad, do not help anyone. Take them off our support & development mailinglists.
Calling it a religious discussion is itself merely a religious reaction.
I don't argue about systemd because that's what my mama raised me on and indoctrinated me with before I could make up my own mind.
I have a *technical* problem that continues to be a problem every day that systemd exists on systems I have to use, and remains popular with the unwashed masses such that the majority of important packages become more dependent on it, effectively removing my choice to reject it, despite my clear understanding of what's wrong with it and why it should be rejected. The problem continues to exist every day, as fresh and bad as the day before The fact that the problem existed yesterday and was talked about yesterday did not make the problem go away today.
If you are annoyed to merely hear about the problem again today, well gee that sucks, but exactly how is that more important than me having to actually suffer with the problem itself again today?
Failure to comply with my above request, will lead to my recommendation to the openSUSE Board that we consider banning the people ignoring this request. If this is anything more than 2 or 3 people, I will actually consider recommending that the Board discuss removing this entire mailinglist, because I am sick of having to explain to new community members that email@example.com was once a support mailinglist but no longer serves that purpose effectively as it now has far, far too much commentary & techno-nonsense religion discussions by people who love to complain but not contribute.
So, consider this a warning. I'm fed of up reading this nonsense and I will work hard to ensure that it stops if the attendees of this list do not make an effort to end it. Now.
And here you make a liar out of yourself, because that was not in any form "respectfully".
What an effective and powerful and leaderly letter. Holy crap I am sure terrified now. I may just go kill myself out of pure shame.
Regards, Richard Brown openSUSE Chairman