On Sun, 2002-07-07 at 23:25, Anders Johansson wrote:
True, and I don't know the rationale for leaving them out. Since I don't have the personal I can't even say if they have been left out. I know some people have said packages are missing in the professional that are in fact there, so I'm not assuming anything.
But observe that the personal edition came about because so many people said the sheer number of packages in the SuSE distribution was frightening to newcomers. A newbie to linux doesn't compile software, he doesn't run servers, he doesn't need 2^25 text editors etc, etc, etc.
I guess the people who bought the personal edition and then complain about the lack of, for example, development libraries should have read a bit more before buying. I guess they thought it was just a low cost version of the standard dist.
To me it just sounds plain wrong. You might be a home user, but if you create a web site, it is great to have Apache running on your localhost and check things out before publishing. And what about rp-pppoe, the ADSL connection package? Surely, it is not only useful, it is essential if your ISP uses this type of service. On the other hand, xine is missing from the Pro edition - where is the logic in that?
Sorry, but I feel that the decision should be made by the user and not by the SuSE's marketing department. You might get a few voices saying "too many applications", but once you start leaving some out you will get a lot more voices saying "why is this or that missing".
Ladislav ===================== Ladislav, You have made some good points, but what I think you and many here fail to realize is that we look at the levels of packages just a little differently than most users will. As Anders was trying to point out, few people need or want the number of applications provided by the Pro version. It is just too overwhelming when you are starting to learn a new OS. I think you will find, if you ask a new convert or new user,
On Sunday 07 July 2002 11:43, Ladislav Bodnar wrote: that they in fact do not initially even consider getting 2500+ programs with an OS! Everything needed to get up and running plus all the programs needed to enjoy the internet are provided by the Personal version. If you want more, then the extra programs are easily obtained by downloading. These are things learned as the user becomes aquainted to their new Linux OS. From my own experience about one year back, I considered the Personal version very heavily to begin with, but after reading the boxes and a few reviews, I decided I wanted the Pro for the development and server functions I would need later. The general user is not dumb and the packages provide enough info for them to decide how much Linux they want. SuSE provides all the programs needed in either package to do what the customer may need or want to do initially. More advanced users here have forgotten what it feels like to be the "newbie" and the process they went through picking their first package, it is still fresh in some of our minds though. :o) Also, maybe I missed something on your "review" page, but it seemed as if it were more of an installation via ftp page than review. But that is excellent also, as I have had many in the local users group wanting to download SuSE to give it a test run. Regards, Patrick -- ----------end of line........ --- KMail v1.4.1 --- SuSE Linux Pro v8.0 --- Registered Linux User #225206