why would you want to pay for something thats inferior to the already provided opensource and FREE tools? as well, i have found it to be a rather poor product, not as confidence inspiring as ipchains. i think that you are much better off spending $40 on a couple of ethernet cards and dumpster diving for a 486 box in a dumpster. remember it was a fix to secure an insecure os, not the foundation to packet filtering to an os. ipchains is propably one of the best tools we have, and can even be the easiest to set up. besides the howto there are many firewall generators out there. if you want a nice one, have a look at a nice thourough generator and home to the ipchains list: http://www.packetfilter.amotken.com ipchains is used in a number of comercial linux based firewalls too. ipchians homepage: http://netfilter.kernelnotes.org/ipchains/ just my biased byte dennis -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq