On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 19:32, Bret Waldow wrote:
Ralph Sanford wrote:
If it will work for you and if you are using SuSE 7.2, the easiest method to install evolution is probably to go to www.ximian.com and download the MINIMUM ximian gnome. You can prevent ximian and the doorman from changing your defaults, if you pay attention. You will need to use KDE control centre login manager to add a session named gnome-session. From a gnome-session use red carpet, subscribe to ximian gnome channel, select install, then select application -> evolution -> install packages. In most cases red carpet will solve the dependency issues for you and will provide a working evolution setup.
At this time the install is not overly simple and can easily take an hour or two. If you want a PIM that provides an excellent contact list and a good GUI email program then the time is well spent.
Hi all,
This message is from a while back, but I'm facing these issues now, and I'm hoping you can help me with a few questions.
My setup: IBM Thinkpad T21, with SuSE 7.3 Pro. USB turned out flaky for my Handspring Visor and Ultracam, so I am using "SuSE certified" 2.4.16-4GB. Everything works pretty well now.
I want Evolution and I want it to sync with the Visor (like a Palm), and there are lots of dependencies to untangle, so I've tried downloading Evolution from Ximian, with mostly good results, but a few burps. No errors or failures anywhere in the install process until I reboot, whereupon I reach runlevel 5 but remain staring at a console. Your messages gave me things to try (thanks).
"startx" gets me KDE, and "startx gnome" gets me Gnome. Setting DISPLAYMANAGER to "kdm" in rc.config gets me a graphical login again. (I don't know if gdm is installed, and don't care unless I need it).
The newly installed Evolution syncs with my Visor great. I'm real close now.
I don't like unknown changes to my system cause I've found they can bite me later, so I'd like to understand your suggestion above about "gnome-session". What's the "doorman" mentioned above referring to?
Do I... Make the "gnome-session" and then run the "lynx -source http://gnome-go (etc. I'm typing from memory)" from within it, and use that to download the minimal Ximian and then run RedCarpet from this? Or are you suggesting I download the mininam Ximian and then make the "gnome-session"?
I"m afraid I'm fuzzy how it all fits together, and I don't know all the implications thus.
What I did was I logged into KDE as root, opened a console, and ran that "lynx etc." command above, selected Evolution only, and followed the instructions. Other than the login issue, it worked.
I have a complete pre-install backup I can revert to. What I want is to install so I can check out Evolution (and hopefully keep it), and not lose my SuSE configuration and tools. Running an unknown system is just like running MS, and I'm trying to get away from that.
I'd appreciate any knowledge you can pass on.
Regards, Bret
How far back into the archives did you have to dig to find that old message?? Anyhow you raise several issues that I will try and shed some light onto. At the time the original message was posted, when SuSE 7.2 was current, the easiest way to get a functioning version of evolution to work was to use ximian-gnome, get the minimum install, which gave you red carpet and then use red carpet to install the then current version of evolution. Even the minimum install of ximian-gnome would mess up the gnome that came with SuSE. If you were using KDM as your graphical login then you would use KDE control centre, session manager, and delete the available session called gnome and replace with a new session called gnome-session. Then you could via a graphical login using KDM select which ever desktop environment that you wanted. That was then. Things have changed. As of SuSE 7.3 there is no need to use ximian-gnome and red carpet to install evolution, unless you want ximian-gnome. Be aware that ximian-gnome is not gnome, more like a parallel universe, close but everything is a little different. Once you start to use ximian-gnome you are on a one-way street to go closer to ximian-gnome and away from gnome. Usually red carpet will be able to solve dependency issues between gnome and ximian-gnome applications by selecting and installing more ximian-gnome applications. When red carpet cannot solve the dependency then you are stuck in a dependency hell. Since SuSE 7.3 and definitely with SuSE 8.0, there is adequate resources within SuSE to install and maintain a functioning copy of evolution. And if you want the latest, greatest and possibly bleeding edge version of evolution then there is always James Oakley's excellent site at www.usr-local-bin.org To attempt to specifically answer some of your questions. If you now have KDM as your graphical login, my recommendation would be to ignore GDM - some people will disagree. Within KDE go to contol centre -> system -> login manager -> session, there remove the available session gnome and replace with gnome-session. This will allow you to log in to a ximian-gnome session. As you have installed some of ximian-gnome then you can never go into a gnome session that is not ximian. The first time you login to a ximian-gnome session, an application known as doorman will guide you through the setup of ximian-gnome. BTW if you find that you screwed up or want to change the ximian setup just rerun the doorman application. If you believe that you have downloaded a functioning version of evolution, then open up a shell and type in "evolution" without the quotes. This can be done within KDE. Even with ximian-gnome where evolution is added to the menu, your first attempt to run evolution should be from the command line. That way you can see the error messages and have a reasonable expectation of being able to fix any issues. Bonobo and wombat errors are common enough during the initial installation that the knowledge base at www.ximian.com has several suggestions. Evolution is a gnome application so at some point you will need to setup default parameters within gnome by using the gnome centre. You can do that by logging in to a gnome-session and then going to the control centre or from a command line in KDE shell of "gnomecc". HTH -- Ralph Sanford - If your government does not trust you, rsanford@telusplanet.net - should you trust your government? GPG/PGP ID - 0x7A1BEA01