What do you actually mean by a session called gnome-session? Is it sufficient to add it in the KDE control center or should some underlying files be told that a session called gnome-session exits and that gnome (or kde?) must be used as window manager??? Op maandag 17 december 2001 08:16, schreef Ralph Sanford:

You can prevent ximian and the doorman from changing your defaults, if you pay attention.  You will need to use KDE control centre login manager to add a session named gnome-session.  From a gnome-session use red carpet, subscribe to ximian gnome channel, select install, then select application -> evolution -> install packages.  In most cases red carpet will solve the dependency issues for you and will provide a working evolution setup.

-- Richard Bos For those without home the journey is endless

On Mon, 2001-12-17 at 13:38, Richard Bos wrote:

What do you actually mean by a session called gnome-session? Is it sufficient to add it in the KDE control center or should some underlying files be told that a session called gnome-session exits and that gnome (or kde?) must be used as window manager???

Op maandag 17 december 2001 08:16, schreef Ralph Sanford:

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You can prevent ximian and the doorman from changing your defaults, if you pay attention. You will need to use KDE control centre login manager to add a session named gnome-session. From a gnome-session use red carpet, subscribe to ximian gnome channel, select install, then select application -> evolution -> install packages. In most cases red carpet will solve the dependency issues for you and will provide a working evolution setup.

-- Richard Bos For those without home the journey is endless

From KDE control center -> system -> login manager -> Sessions. Add a session called gnome-session, remove the session named gnome. Done. Now at KDM your session menu will include gnome-session that will load ximian gnome.

-- Ralph Sanford - If your government does not trust you, rsanford@telusplanet.net - should you trust your government? DH/DSS Key - 0x7A1BEA01

On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 19:32, Bret Waldow wrote:

Ralph Sanford wrote:

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If it will work for you and if you are using SuSE 7.2, the easiest method to install evolution is probably to go to www.ximian.com and download the MINIMUM ximian gnome. You can prevent ximian and the doorman from changing your defaults, if you pay attention. You will need to use KDE control centre login manager to add a session named gnome-session. From a gnome-session use red carpet, subscribe to ximian gnome channel, select install, then select application -> evolution -> install packages. In most cases red carpet will solve the dependency issues for you and will provide a working evolution setup.

At this time the install is not overly simple and can easily take an hour or two. If you want a PIM that provides an excellent contact list and a good GUI email program then the time is well spent.

Hi all,

This message is from a while back, but I'm facing these issues now, and I'm hoping you can help me with a few questions.

My setup: IBM Thinkpad T21, with SuSE 7.3 Pro. USB turned out flaky for my Handspring Visor and Ultracam, so I am using "SuSE certified" 2.4.16-4GB. Everything works pretty well now.

I want Evolution and I want it to sync with the Visor (like a Palm), and there are lots of dependencies to untangle, so I've tried downloading Evolution from Ximian, with mostly good results, but a few burps. No errors or failures anywhere in the install process until I reboot, whereupon I reach runlevel 5 but remain staring at a console. Your messages gave me things to try (thanks).

"startx" gets me KDE, and "startx gnome" gets me Gnome. Setting DISPLAYMANAGER to "kdm" in rc.config gets me a graphical login again. (I don't know if gdm is installed, and don't care unless I need it).

The newly installed Evolution syncs with my Visor great. I'm real close now.

I don't like unknown changes to my system cause I've found they can bite me later, so I'd like to understand your suggestion above about "gnome-session". What's the "doorman" mentioned above referring to?

Do I... Make the "gnome-session" and then run the "lynx -source http://gnome-go (etc. I'm typing from memory)" from within it, and use that to download the minimal Ximian and then run RedCarpet from this? Or are you suggesting I download the mininam Ximian and then make the "gnome-session"?

I"m afraid I'm fuzzy how it all fits together, and I don't know all the implications thus.

What I did was I logged into KDE as root, opened a console, and ran that "lynx etc." command above, selected Evolution only, and followed the instructions. Other than the login issue, it worked.

I have a complete pre-install backup I can revert to. What I want is to install so I can check out Evolution (and hopefully keep it), and not lose my SuSE configuration and tools. Running an unknown system is just like running MS, and I'm trying to get away from that.

I'd appreciate any knowledge you can pass on.

Regards, Bret

How far back into the archives did you have to dig to find that old message?? Anyhow you raise several issues that I will try and shed some light onto. At the time the original message was posted, when SuSE 7.2 was current, the easiest way to get a functioning version of evolution to work was to use ximian-gnome, get the minimum install, which gave you red carpet and then use red carpet to install the then current version of evolution. Even the minimum install of ximian-gnome would mess up the gnome that came with SuSE. If you were using KDM as your graphical login then you would use KDE control centre, session manager, and delete the available session called gnome and replace with a new session called gnome-session. Then you could via a graphical login using KDM select which ever desktop environment that you wanted. That was then. Things have changed. As of SuSE 7.3 there is no need to use ximian-gnome and red carpet to install evolution, unless you want ximian-gnome. Be aware that ximian-gnome is not gnome, more like a parallel universe, close but everything is a little different. Once you start to use ximian-gnome you are on a one-way street to go closer to ximian-gnome and away from gnome. Usually red carpet will be able to solve dependency issues between gnome and ximian-gnome applications by selecting and installing more ximian-gnome applications. When red carpet cannot solve the dependency then you are stuck in a dependency hell. Since SuSE 7.3 and definitely with SuSE 8.0, there is adequate resources within SuSE to install and maintain a functioning copy of evolution. And if you want the latest, greatest and possibly bleeding edge version of evolution then there is always James Oakley's excellent site at www.usr-local-bin.org To attempt to specifically answer some of your questions. If you now have KDM as your graphical login, my recommendation would be to ignore GDM - some people will disagree. Within KDE go to contol centre -> system -> login manager -> session, there remove the available session gnome and replace with gnome-session. This will allow you to log in to a ximian-gnome session. As you have installed some of ximian-gnome then you can never go into a gnome session that is not ximian. The first time you login to a ximian-gnome session, an application known as doorman will guide you through the setup of ximian-gnome. BTW if you find that you screwed up or want to change the ximian setup just rerun the doorman application. If you believe that you have downloaded a functioning version of evolution, then open up a shell and type in "evolution" without the quotes. This can be done within KDE. Even with ximian-gnome where evolution is added to the menu, your first attempt to run evolution should be from the command line. That way you can see the error messages and have a reasonable expectation of being able to fix any issues. Bonobo and wombat errors are common enough during the initial installation that the knowledge base at www.ximian.com has several suggestions. Evolution is a gnome application so at some point you will need to setup default parameters within gnome by using the gnome centre. You can do that by logging in to a gnome-session and then going to the control centre or from a command line in KDE shell of "gnomecc". HTH -- Ralph Sanford - If your government does not trust you, rsanford@telusplanet.net - should you trust your government? GPG/PGP ID - 0x7A1BEA01

On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 23:03, Bret Comstock Waldow wrote:

Thanks for your non-cryptic response.

Gnome (from SuSE 7.3 stock, the 1.4 version) was already installed, as was KDE. I haven't decided which I prefer, and I wanted to keep my options open while I figured out a way to get my laptop permanently useable booting Linux primary.

I already ran the Ximian Evolution I installed from the KDE and Gnome menu (this morning), and it runs, and syncs to the Visor (in Gnome only - gnome-pilot, I assume), and sends and receives emails. The only message offered when I run it from a terminal is when I exit Evolution: Waiting for component to die -- OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Mail_ShellComponent (1)

...which then proceeds to the prompt without further fuss.

This is the normal message seen. Appears that your copy of evolution is working correctly.

On Fri, 2002-06-28 at 15:21, Ralph Sanford wrote: <snip>

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That was then. Things have changed.

As of SuSE 7.3 there is no need to use ximian-gnome and red carpet to install evolution, unless you want ximian-gnome.

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Since SuSE 7.3 and definitely with SuSE 8.0, there is adequate resources within SuSE to install and maintain a functioning copy of evolution. I saw the Gnome rpm's SuSE provides, along with the current Evolution. What I couldn't figure out was which one's I needed. Gnome-pilot wanted some later libraries than provided by 7.3 out of the box, and then those wanted...etc. That's why I turned to Ximian.

I don't want all the Gnome packages SuSE has lined up on their Gnome update page. How can I know which ones to get to fulfill the dependencies without installing all of them?

And is this a better idea "SuSE-wise"? I'd like to avoid a Frankenstein's monster install of Linux if I can - it's easier to figure out the problems that arise, easier to maintain, etc., so an "all SuSE" installation sounds good to me. Can it be done? As far as I know, I just want Evolution and gnome-pilot to sync with my Visor.

Since it sounds like you have evolution setup and running, and since it seems to do what you want, then there is no need to get additional packages. To keep your life (and your computer) as easy to maintain as possible, I would recommend that you stick to either the ximian-gnome package or the SuSE gnome packages. There is a step increase evolution (1.1. or 1.2) likely being released withing the next two weeks. This step increase will likely require a number of library and other dependency changes and would be a good time to either go ximian or SuSE gnome.

I have two identical hard disks, and one serves as backup. I mirror one disk to the other with dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdc, and I did that yesterday before I embarked on the Ximian experiment. It's easy to drop back to that and go the SuSE route instead, but I need to know how to resolve the dependencies so I don't have to download everything and the footprint shaped kitchen sink too <grin>.

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If you now have KDM as your graphical login, my recommendation would be to ignore GDM - some people will disagree. Within KDE go to contol centre -> system -> login manager -> session, there remove the available session gnome and replace with gnome-session. This will allow you to log in to a ximian-gnome session. As you have installed some of ximian-gnome then you can never go into a gnome session that is not ximian. Hmmm. Is "gnome-session" an arbitrary name that distinguishes it to me, to remind me I've made a choice and can't go back, or a name provided by Ximian, that's there waiting to be referenced along with unknown associated settings, etc.?

"gnome-session" is actually the typical way to call up gnome, unless you are using SuSE. The SuSE folks have tweaked the gnome packages included in SuSE so that loading a session called "gnome" brings up gnome. If you build your own gnome or use ximian gnome then gnome is started by calling for a "gnome-session".

The first time you login to a ximian-gnome session, an application known

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as doorman will guide you through the setup of ximian-gnome. BTW if you find that you screwed up or want to change the ximian setup just rerun the doorman application. doorman is an application? Oh. I don't find it on my system now - I believe it wasn't downloaded in the "Evolution" option I selected.

Sounds like there have been some improvements to the ximian download site, since my last visit. Last time I was there you could not just download evolution but had to download at least a "minimum" ximian-gnome and then later download evolution. When you downloaded a "minimum" of ximain-gnome you used to get doorman. Sounds like you avoided that by only downloading evolution. -- Ralph Sanford - If your government does not trust you, rsanford@telusplanet.net - should you trust your government? GPG/PGP ID - 0x7A1BEA01

Have you tried to use "rpm -Fhv" instead? It will install RPM only if an older version is already installed on your system. Avi On Saturday, June 29, 2002, at 04:36 , Bret Waldow wrote:

I'm still playing with this, and I have some more questions.

I started again, with the idea of going "SuSE - only". It doesn't seem possible.

I downloaded the SuSE - Gnome updates for 7.3 (cable modems are great!), but then ran into the question, how to install them? I don't want to just "rpm -UhV *.rpm" as not all of the packages are installed now - I don't want them all.

But how do I resolve the dependencies? In fact, I've spent the day doing this by hand, focusing on Evolution and Gnome-pilot, and may almost be there. But is there some easy way I don't know about? I"ve been running "rpm -Uhv --test etc.rpm" and getting some dependencies filled from rpmfind, as the SuSE Gnome packages don't supply them (which seems pretty odd - what are they thinking of?).

Also, not all of the packages seem available from SuSE Gnome - Gnome-pilot doesn't seem to be there. It wasn't in 7.3, and I don't see it in the updates.

So, I'm wondering if I'm going about this right. Can you enlighten me about how to approach this?

Regards, Bret

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Ralph Sanford wrote:

On Sat, 2002-06-29 at 03:36, Bret Waldow wrote:

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So, I'm wondering if I'm going about this right. Can you enlighten me about how to approach this?

I suspect that if I had needed 1 or 2 files to get evolution working, I would have gone to ftp.ximian.com and downloaded the missing file.

It is curious though that the version of evolution included in SuSE 7.3 and now SuSE 8.0 both worked for me without a dependency issue regarding gnome-pilot. I do not use pilot software so I would not have missed the functionality. Is it a version of evolution from the SuSE CD or ftp that is claiming a gnome-pilot dependency? Not that I would be able to help.

Evolution does not claim a gnome-pilot dependency. I need gnome-pilot to sync my PDA with Evolution. Unfortunately, SuSE 7.3 doesn't include gnome-pilot, and it's not in the SuSE-Gnome upgrades either. Ximian has it. So, I can use the SuSE-Gnome upgrades, and try to patch in gnome-pilot too, but then I have software that doesn't fit in the SuSE administration scheme (YaST knows nothing about it, and won't help). I can use the Ximian package for Evolution, which at first glance works perfectly. But I'm not installing the complete Ximian, I'm trying to remain with the SuSE approach and tools and directory structure and diagnostics, etc. So the question I have is - will this work? Do the Ximian Evolution packges for SuSE interfere with any of the other SuSE stuff? That's what I'm trying to figure out. I don't want to commit to a system that I can't troubleshoot with SuSE tools or with Ximian tools because I mixed them. I don't want to create an unknown configuration for myself - it will bite me when I least can afford it <grin>. I've been using SuSE since 5.x, and it's pretty self consistent. Do you know how well Ximian and SuSE work together? I'm capable of figuring out any problem eventually, but I have other priorities - I don't want to buy myself trouble. That's what I'm trying to find out about. Regards, Bret

If you aren't interested in doing weird technical stuff, ximian gnome is now suse 7.3 and suse 8.0 compliant. You can fairly easily go to www.ximian.com follow the instructions, and end up with a good working gnome1.4 with evolution 1.0.8. Ewan On Sat, 2002-06-29 at 10:36, Bret Waldow wrote:

I'm still playing with this, and I have some more questions.

I started again, with the idea of going "SuSE - only". It doesn't seem possible.

I downloaded the SuSE - Gnome updates for 7.3 (cable modems are great!), but then ran into the question, how to install them? I don't want to just "rpm -UhV *.rpm" as not all of the packages are installed now - I don't want them all.

But how do I resolve the dependencies? In fact, I've spent the day doing this by hand, focusing on Evolution and Gnome-pilot, and may almost be there. But is there some easy way I don't know about? I"ve been running "rpm -Uhv --test etc.rpm" and getting some dependencies filled from rpmfind, as the SuSE Gnome packages don't supply them (which seems pretty odd - what are they thinking of?).

Also, not all of the packages seem available from SuSE Gnome - Gnome-pilot doesn't seem to be there. It wasn't in 7.3, and I don't see it in the updates.

So, I'm wondering if I'm going about this right. Can you enlighten me about how to approach this?

Regards, Bret

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Since SuSE 7.3 and definitely with SuSE 8.0, there is adequate resources within SuSE to install and maintain a functioning copy of evolution. And if you want the latest, greatest and possibly bleeding edge version of evolution then there is always James Oakley's excellent site at www.usr-local-bin.org

That's James Ogley ;-) Incidentally, sorry to anyone who tried to email me at usr-local-bin.org this week, as part of transferring the site to our new cluster of web servers (damn cool beans, the site's super-speedy now!), I b0rked the DNS setup - referenced the wrong MX's - now fixed :)

If you now have KDM as your graphical login, my recommendation would be to ignore GDM - some people will disagree. Within KDE go to contol centre -> system -> login manager -> session, there remove the available session gnome and replace with gnome-session. This will allow you to log in to a ximian-gnome session. As you have installed some of ximian-gnome then you can never go into a gnome session that is not ximian.

I agree with this - makes living with SuSE a lot easier, even a hardened GNOME addict like me uses KDM ;) -- James Ogley, Unix Systems Administrator, Pinnacle Insurance Plc james.ogley@pinnacle.co.uk www.pinnacle.co.uk +44 (0) 20 8731 3619 Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 8.0) Updated GNOME RPMs for SuSE Linux: www.usr-local-bin.org *********************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY. This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Pinnacle Insurance Plc. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify our Helpdesk on +44 (0) 20 8207 9555. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com **********************************************************************