Le 29/10/2017 à 16:31, Richard Brown a écrit : I'm do not always agree about what you say, but I'm always interested by your posts and try to read then with attention :-)
If you think that opensuse@opensuse.org represents the 'community at large' you are sorely, sorely, painfully, dismally, mistaken.
"community at large" is a very virtual thing
Let's ignore the fact that, ultimately, feedback only functions when contributors act on them, and the number of heavily active contributors on this list can probably be counted on both of my hands. Let's also ignore the fact that despite worldwide openSUSE events with attendances numbering in the hundreds, and openSUSE presences at other FOSS events with attendances numbering in the thousands, the number of opensuse@ subscribers I've met face to face can be counted on one hand.
on 6 billion human on earth, I met only a very little number. to really meet people one need to be very active and I'm sure you have much better things to do, if by meet you mean speak to face to face.
Let's just look at some cold, hard, numbers
We know that this list has 1242 subscribers
it's much for a *mailing list*. If any subscriber wrote at least one mail each week, the list could be unusable
This compares to the following other communities, each of which have a broader "general discussions about openSUSE" topic by design, other than the intended "support" focus of this list - 4814 subscribers to the openSUSE reddit community
I know nothing of reddit, sorry. Is it an official openSUSE discussion channel? may be I should get a look I see 4 814 subscribers at the openSUSE - it seems to be a forum
- 14.8 _thousand_ members of the openSUSE group on facebook - 29.5 _thousand_ followers of the openSUSE group on Google+
yes and? do you really *discuss* openSUSE on Facebook or Google+? this only mean many people once got a look.
- 38 _thousand_ members of the openSUSE forums
how many active at the same time? The forum itself say "Active Members 1,728", so the hole forum is no more active than this very list!!
- 56.2 _thousand_ subscribers of the openSUSE feed on twitter
I don't tweet
In the grand scheme of things, this mailinglist, at best, represents a small fraction of the community.
this is pretty obvious. How many votes for your last election? Do you really this could mean you only represent the people that gave you they vote? obviously not.
But you should have a clear understanding of just how significant that opinion is, and should be, in the broader context of the overall openSUSE Project.
There is no way, at all, this list can be fairly described as representative of the community 'at large'. Period.
I fear to say that there is no *project* at all, if we compare your numbers with the number of openSUSE members. Because any people speaking about "the project" should and I guess is an openSUSE member, isn't it? I agree the tone of this very list is pretty often harsh, but you do nothing to make it smoother, on the contrary. If we should consider yours arguments, all of us here should resign and go to an other distribution. We once had a project coordinator (joos) that worked very well to make the openSUSE lists friendly. I know your is elsewhere, but I don't see the openSUSE community live really :-( We need a central point to discuss the project and it's derivatives, before going to specialized places for the action. sincerely jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org