* Carlos E. R. [03-07-20 16:11]:
On 07/03/2020 21.54, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. [03-07-20 14:36]:
On 07/03/2020 20.31, James Knott wrote:
On 2020-03-07 02:25 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
I even opened the post in my editor with ww off and it was still
wrapped.
but only the data from "top".
I just compared my email, as sent, with top in Konsole and there is no
difference at all in the layout. Since Carlos is also not seeing it, it
must be something at your end.
Maybe it is "soft" wrapped.
no.
It is.
00002810 3a 35 35 2e 33 34 20 58 0d 0a 20 c2 a0 33 37 39 |:55.34 X.. ..379|
00002820 32 20 6a 6b 6e 6f 74 74 c2 a0 c2 a0 c2 a0 20 32 |2 jknott...... 2|
00002830 30 c2 a0 c2 a0 20 30 20 31 31 2e 30 30 34 67 20 |0.... 0 11.004g |
00002840 33 36 35 31 38 38 20 33 31 31 39 30 34 c2 a0 20 |365188 311904.. |
00002850 35 33 37 31 32 20 53 20 32 35 2e 32 35 20 32 2e |53712 S 25.25 2.|
00002860 32 34 30 20 0d 0a 33 32 39 3a 30 30 2e 34 30 20 |240 ..329:00.40 |
.....................******
00002870 56 69 72 74 75 61 6c 42 6f 78 0d 0a 20 c2 a0 34 |VirtualBox.. ..4|
00002880 34 30 39 20 6a 6b 6e 6f 74 74 c2 a0 c2 a0 c2 a0 |409 jknott......|
Now see the photo how it displays here:
https://susepaste.org/93886157
No wrap. That is called "soft wrap". It is a setting on your end which is displaying that soft wrap as wrapped. Your client chooses to wrap at that soft wrap point (which is a carriage return encoded but ignored by other clients).
Carlso, I opened the text message in joe with word wrap OFF, the lines
were still wrapped.
here is what I received raw:
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Subject: Re: [opensuse] Why swap?
To: opensuse@opensuse.org
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From: James Knott
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2020 13:42:52 -0500
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Here's another capture. I see X is high again and I had a lot of disk
activity.
Tasks: 263 total, 1 running, 262 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
%Cpu(s): 3.3 us, 2.9 sy, 0.0 ni, 80.6 id, 13.1 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.0 si,
0.0 st
MiB Mem : 15923.24+total, 430.297 free, 14000.02+used, 1492.918 buff/cache
MiB Swap: 16383.68+total, 15117.98+free, 1265.699 used. 847.727 avail Mem
PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR SWAP S %CPU %MEM
TIME+ COMMAND
2551 root 20 0 1048948 450312 419688 6680 S 0.664 2.762
4:55.34 X
3792 jknott 20 0 11.004g 365188 311904 53712 S 25.25 2.240
329:00.40 VirtualBox
4409 jknott 20 0 4932256 715296 298580 127832 S 1.329 4.387
21:48.76 firefox
4442 jknott 20 0 4582208 1.200g 120740 223340 S 11.63 7.716
176:10.14 seamonkey-bin
7284 jknott 20 0 3072196 345236 115592 60796 S 1.993 2.117
14:18.84 Web Content
7542 jknott 20 0 2979808 184904 86880 9424 S 0.332 1.134
5:12.24 Web Content
7013 jknott 20 0 3052704 262532 74572 30904 S 1.661 1.610
13:18.59 Web Content
4479 jknott 20 0 846720 119936 74452 40 S 0.000 0.736
1:02.80 chromium
23761 jknott 20 0 5039640 128700 72840 0 S 0.000 0.789
0:26.27 chromium
5272 jknott 20 0 5743384 676308 70536 35212 S 0.000 4.148
3:04.28 chromium
23746 jknott 20 0 4991144 109928 70012 0 S 0.000 0.674
0:08.37 chromium
23802 jknott 20 0 4977648 88392 69756 0 S 0.000 0.542
0:00.25 chromium
5783 jknott 20 0 5020888 107856 67436 484 S 0.000 0.661
0:03.09 chromium
6898 jknott 20 0 3313052 283668 66012 13992 S 1.661 1.740
22:40.69 Web Content
7318 jknott 20 0 2723776 80460 64748 47240 S 0.000 0.493
2:12.28 Web Content
4400 jknott 20 0 1345748 228048 63328 1900 S 0.332 1.399
7:38.35 chromium
3254 jknott 20 0 3935188 202992 62452 1124 S 0.664 1.245
4:24.32 plasmashell
7458 jknott 20 0 3264376 207640 61068 69560 S 1.993 1.273
27:07.63 Web Content
5773 jknott 20 0 9347640 222528 56532 10044 S 0.000 1.365
4:21.46 chromium
5259 jknott 20 0 5073072 167636 56232 1932 S 0.332 1.028
5:02.24 chromium
6767 jknott 20 0 2916264 285972 56120 34364 S 0.000 1.754
3:08.22 Web Content
5001 jknott 20 0 5008820 91324 47660 52 S 0.000 0.560
0:16.06 chromium
On 2020-03-05 04:27 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 05/03/2020 21.58, James Knott wrote:
On 2020-03-05 03:56 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Sigh, it seems you have to pay per post. Why not post it all at once?
I'll have to assume they are both from the same screenshot of top.
Joining your two posts:
Yes they were from the same capture. I had to stop top for it to be
stable enough to capture the lines. Here's the whole thing.
Thanks :-)
%Cpu(s): 1.4 us, 0.6 sy, 0.0 ni, 98.0 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.0 si, 0.0 st
MiB Mem : 15923.24+total, 2351.809 free, 6603.551 used, 6967.883 buff/cache
MiB Swap: 16383.68+total, 15989.43+free, 394.250 used. 6000.145 avail Mem
So, this moment there is little swap in use.
Then you have 6 gigs available, which is good. Almost 7 used in buffers/cache, which is good, the kernel likes that. "Only" 2 gigs free - the kernel tries to keep just a bit free, not much.
6603.551 used
6967.883 buff/cache
2351.809 free +
-----------------
15923,243 close enough to 16.
PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR SWAP S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
2689 root 20 0 2735400 2.047g 2.011g 388 S 0.664 13.16 59:26.39 X
Well, your X is using a lot of RAM. 2 gigs. Mine take about 150 megs. Why that difference? :-?
Maybe your display has very high resolution. Or many colours. Or something.
6429 jknott 20 0 6929668 1.666g 79636 0 S 0.000 10.71 10:56.17 chromium
1.6 gigs for chromium, but there are other chromium processes.
6383 jknott 20 0 5174852 1.002g 518716 66224 S 1.661 6.443 91:15.78 firefox
1 gig for firefox, then add the "Web Content".
So far we have 4.5 gigs in use. You can continue adding the other lines, you should get 6.6. (not being preciss, there is also shared memory).
7533 jknott 20 0 3763544 510912 223876 8092 S 1.661 3.133 15:03.56 Web Content
16432 jknott 20 0 3500248 473988 172168 26096 S 0.664 2.907 180:46.57 Web Content
2722 jknott 20 0 2899032 467184 112704 0 S 1.661 2.865 0:17.00 seamonkey-bin
16455 jknott 20 0 3311108 377300 158768 2720 S 1.329 2.314 25:51.38 Web Content
6416 jknott 20 0 5260464 342428 91016 8 S 0.000 2.100 5:18.55 chromium
7429 jknott 20 0 9424920 342424 48252 33488 S 0.000 2.100 3:07.85 WebExtensions
16511 jknott 20 0 3066376 296760 168196 11560 S 0.332 1.820 5:24.45 Web Content
16483 jknott 20 0 3176516 292752 149048 9516 S 1.329 1.795 24:19.16 Web Content
5752 jknott 20 0 1450596 288200 94344 16 S 0.332 1.768 12:17.20 chromium
3309 jknott 20 0 4341556 276532 111164 0 S 0.664 1.696 9:41.22 plasmashell
6736 jknott 20 0 5114568 235144 89184 20 S 0.000 1.442 2:24.57 chromium
16567 jknott 20 0 3233528 230640 111980 7988 S 0.332 1.415 7:43.07 Web Content
16539 jknott 20 0 3166252 214480 121516 7796 S 0.000 1.315 11:11.28 Web Content
7345 jknott 20 0 2843108 205760 89784 11936 S 0.664 1.262 4:12.01 Web Content
6046 jknott 20 0 5099932 191180 39152 60 S 0.332 1.172 1:24.37 chromium
16998 jknott 20 0 875120 174932 122868 0 S 0.000 1.073 2:48.27 chromium
6415 jknott 20 0 3439784 154840 61624 17748 S 4.983 0.950 21:46.71 amarok
22963 jknott 20 0 5039856 149444 89704 0 S 0.332 0.917 0:30.28 chromium
3305 jknott 20 0 2503644 131844 69844 0 S 0.000 0.809 0:42.11 krunner
You see the method... now you have to capture when there is much more swap in use.
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as one can plainly see, the upper portion containing the information from
"top" is wrapped while the lower portion is not.
afaik, "joe" still does not soft wrap anyway.
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