* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [03-07-20 16:11]:
On 07/03/2020 21.54, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [03-07-20 14:36]:
On 07/03/2020 20.31, James Knott wrote:
On 2020-03-07 02:25 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
I even opened the post in my editor with ww off and it was still wrapped. but only the data from "top".
I just compared my email, as sent, with top in Konsole and there is no difference at all in the layout. Since Carlos is also not seeing it, it must be something at your end.
Maybe it is "soft" wrapped.
no.
It is.
00002810 3a 35 35 2e 33 34 20 58 0d 0a 20 c2 a0 33 37 39 |:55.34 X.. ..379| 00002820 32 20 6a 6b 6e 6f 74 74 c2 a0 c2 a0 c2 a0 20 32 |2 jknott...... 2| 00002830 30 c2 a0 c2 a0 20 30 20 31 31 2e 30 30 34 67 20 |0.... 0 11.004g | 00002840 33 36 35 31 38 38 20 33 31 31 39 30 34 c2 a0 20 |365188 311904.. | 00002850 35 33 37 31 32 20 53 20 32 35 2e 32 35 20 32 2e |53712 S 25.25 2.| 00002860 32 34 30 20 0d 0a 33 32 39 3a 30 30 2e 34 30 20 |240 ..329:00.40 | .....................****** 00002870 56 69 72 74 75 61 6c 42 6f 78 0d 0a 20 c2 a0 34 |VirtualBox.. ..4| 00002880 34 30 39 20 6a 6b 6e 6f 74 74 c2 a0 c2 a0 c2 a0 |409 jknott......|
Now see the photo how it displays here:
<https://susepaste.org/93886157>
No wrap. That is called "soft wrap". It is a setting on your end which is displaying that soft wrap as wrapped. Your client chooses to wrap at that soft wrap point (which is a carriage return encoded but ignored by other clients).
Carlso, I opened the text message in joe with word wrap OFF, the lines were still wrapped. here is what I received raw: Return-Path: <opensuse+bounces-224070-paka=opensuse.org@opensuse.org> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on wahoo.wahoo.no-ip.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No X-Original-To: paka Delivered-To: paka@wahoo.wahoo.no-ip.org Received: by wahoo.wahoo.no-ip.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 881BE6184E; Sat, 7 Mar 2020 13:45:20 -0500 (EST) X-Apparently-To: ptilopteri@att.net; Sat, 07 Mar 2020 18:43:10 +0000 Authentication-Results: mta4076.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com; dkim=permerror (bad sig) header.i=@jknott-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=@opensuse.org; dmarc=NULL(p=NULL sp=NULL dis=NULL) header.from=jknott.net; Received-SPF: none (domain of opensuse.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-YMailISG: i894N1IWLDsIghHq8zCTiWRS6CjMUL3dRRtJi0HfCqFj7Vft jI1by3Ssuwnl4uYAUEJJV7xUgRo36z2wkfyIQWzKxCuFfXZd40hggMG8am6H FdKT5bsSiDGBIY4W8Ga09wxoqXl.OaBSgW1mDn6mnH9a5T.jVmMfGt06fkPH 5tPxC5Nx6y0v4eYVlGaFzzmXqm8x4kFePcRB6w6ucVu7F4OvLsj80IV5czTk Gcvao5XEa5fw7z8UrXI5i.u5T9bVSxmC7.iHtLmImP49O0zlmBDwp1_Ui8cN TbQ5y17r3SbNR4Z8ahjhBt.tVo.hNJCMogT7ROHaL1uabAcyPnsGuuGVSv6R Zs45ppWDkqZuTZfiFLYAf1Jjv_XilSmB1TDVgu8z3VU97WHnnsY2E1WhXASc pWwHxggix36H9obpzDT0AB8hQbrtmukwi6shRTiRHCIMGpd.7Yzm3w0VbIph M6ZxXDMP8pquCm2GJLFfZzcgceM5kJD6l_r5nr99ACkLz8IPU.LlD_RBlzsq TURH4ih2AF0aqLTvvo64tAgtr_qZMGIFlxQFQ.uCNRvLfM4JkudXC4Syw5gX e1v_KUoiEzqjUBJdtFyTSOlFV.XtY244PJe_iVjXMjruWnsMHP7u5CeemvvI CkIGl1RpXby428DJ4jk.e6nGCYnXgKQtnrLcGI.BTq.awxgjfZnfajw.eebQ JR5xkGPWGZkIypLulUR3eDJON1mI5szjdOewQzsCZDBVi_dmD_5JQjGC0.w2 E5wK50Bok8fKOBOP8ajYVxmH3_UgXaGAfSnh9EUhDVPUPv4PumJgFia87zpk 80vC0uzyhQFlhJqayF6TRBAe8LmPz_QUqFWKTQMqr4bnXz9vHZdNPT9e_H7M jxcmCt09EfbhrwAjUVDu0Es33aK3DeIrIxOFLG1TlLov5Q9BIrCQLLRO5KM6 O2C123X6.eaUI4jS557rpMkSZbA29YUPndmP1UCetwoZ_hLfxesFh9FZd5TX HdHmpUcFSRbuoen2i1Wv2dih9b.oX1_T6Y4XrafIliFulIXLEnzvefiqeD19 YxxynguUg5EO6CJNWVZ_euR9yO5C X-Originating-IP: [195.135.220.15] Received: from internal.imap.mail.g03.yahoodns.net [98.137.159.41] by wahoo.wahoo.no-ip.org with IMAP (fetchmail-6.3.26) for <paka@localhost> (single-drop); 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([2607:fea8:4c80:b00:76d4:35ff:fe5b:f5fa]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b2sm19179322qkj.9.2020.03.07.10.42.54 for <opensuse@opensuse.org> (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 07 Mar 2020 10:42:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [opensuse] Why swap? To: opensuse@opensuse.org References: <af41cfd6-57e4-c47c-80f6-04993ada2361@jknott.net> <20200304161401.GU25664@wahoo.no-ip.org> <d909061a-27df-3656-289a-169eded96cf9@jknott.net> <20200304164800.GW25664@wahoo.no-ip.org> <552836be-44df-ba0c-7ba9-5bf0931119e1@jknott.net> <20200304170029.GY25664@wahoo.no-ip.org> <a7da08aa-3162-3600-1c4d-4b2ecc9f09fc@jknott.net> <96e190d2-b6eb-f8b5-6aca-9ec09fb4c09a@telefonica.net> <7b279dc6-0911-8cc7-3ee0-d3f2703435e4@jknott.net> <40055d6e-6b5b-7593-7bda-846402cf2503@telefonica.net> <fb257d56-c581-0f5f-cfeb-17efc62959bd@jknott.net> <baa948ca-d698-856d-3cbc-7a34c9efc648@telefonica.net> <ce3b531b-666e-e3c4-f7aa-c2150eb96c3b@jknott.net> <14c12465-94fd-d706-339c-bd59c6397477@telefonica.net> <4bd4588e-f06d-7939-daa6-bea52a79e8fe@jknott.net> <8193fd4a-bedf-7f1d-afa2-47735000ddfb@telefonica.net> <bd275f3c-53ce-10f8-be06-2a5be6c3ad03@jknott.net> <ed9079f0-7872-c107-f0e7-c9617826c64c@telefonica.net> From: James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> Message-ID: <03b5a86e-3bfc-3297-289e-4c0ac21ae338@jknott.net> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2020 13:42:52 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4 Precedence: bulk Mailing-List: contact opensuse+help@opensuse.org; run by mlmmj X-Mailinglist: opensuse List-Post: <mailto:opensuse@opensuse.org> List-Help: <mailto:opensuse+help@opensuse.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:opensuse+subscribe@opensuse.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org> List-Owner: <mailto:opensuse+owner@opensuse.org> List-Archive: <http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/> X-MIME-Notice: attachments may have been removed from this message MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <ed9079f0-7872-c107-f0e7-c9617826c64c@telefonica.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Envelope-From: opensuse+bounces-224070-paka=opensuse.org@opensuse.org Content-Length: 6681 Lines: 121 Here's another capture. I see X is high again and I had a lot of disk activity. Tasks: 263 total, 1 running, 262 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie %Cpu(s): 3.3 us, 2.9 sy, 0.0 ni, 80.6 id, 13.1 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.0 si, 0.0 st MiB Mem : 15923.24+total, 430.297 free, 14000.02+used, 1492.918 buff/cache MiB Swap: 16383.68+total, 15117.98+free, 1265.699 used. 847.727 avail Mem PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR SWAP S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 2551 root 20 0 1048948 450312 419688 6680 S 0.664 2.762 4:55.34 X 3792 jknott 20 0 11.004g 365188 311904 53712 S 25.25 2.240 329:00.40 VirtualBox 4409 jknott 20 0 4932256 715296 298580 127832 S 1.329 4.387 21:48.76 firefox 4442 jknott 20 0 4582208 1.200g 120740 223340 S 11.63 7.716 176:10.14 seamonkey-bin 7284 jknott 20 0 3072196 345236 115592 60796 S 1.993 2.117 14:18.84 Web Content 7542 jknott 20 0 2979808 184904 86880 9424 S 0.332 1.134 5:12.24 Web Content 7013 jknott 20 0 3052704 262532 74572 30904 S 1.661 1.610 13:18.59 Web Content 4479 jknott 20 0 846720 119936 74452 40 S 0.000 0.736 1:02.80 chromium 23761 jknott 20 0 5039640 128700 72840 0 S 0.000 0.789 0:26.27 chromium 5272 jknott 20 0 5743384 676308 70536 35212 S 0.000 4.148 3:04.28 chromium 23746 jknott 20 0 4991144 109928 70012 0 S 0.000 0.674 0:08.37 chromium 23802 jknott 20 0 4977648 88392 69756 0 S 0.000 0.542 0:00.25 chromium 5783 jknott 20 0 5020888 107856 67436 484 S 0.000 0.661 0:03.09 chromium 6898 jknott 20 0 3313052 283668 66012 13992 S 1.661 1.740 22:40.69 Web Content 7318 jknott 20 0 2723776 80460 64748 47240 S 0.000 0.493 2:12.28 Web Content 4400 jknott 20 0 1345748 228048 63328 1900 S 0.332 1.399 7:38.35 chromium 3254 jknott 20 0 3935188 202992 62452 1124 S 0.664 1.245 4:24.32 plasmashell 7458 jknott 20 0 3264376 207640 61068 69560 S 1.993 1.273 27:07.63 Web Content 5773 jknott 20 0 9347640 222528 56532 10044 S 0.000 1.365 4:21.46 chromium 5259 jknott 20 0 5073072 167636 56232 1932 S 0.332 1.028 5:02.24 chromium 6767 jknott 20 0 2916264 285972 56120 34364 S 0.000 1.754 3:08.22 Web Content 5001 jknott 20 0 5008820 91324 47660 52 S 0.000 0.560 0:16.06 chromium On 2020-03-05 04:27 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 05/03/2020 21.58, James Knott wrote:
On 2020-03-05 03:56 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Sigh, it seems you have to pay per post. Why not post it all at once? I'll have to assume they are both from the same screenshot of top. Joining your two posts: Yes they were from the same capture. I had to stop top for it to be stable enough to capture the lines. Here's the whole thing. Thanks :-)
%Cpu(s): 1.4 us, 0.6 sy, 0.0 ni, 98.0 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.0 si, 0.0 st MiB Mem : 15923.24+total, 2351.809 free, 6603.551 used, 6967.883 buff/cache MiB Swap: 16383.68+total, 15989.43+free, 394.250 used. 6000.145 avail Mem So, this moment there is little swap in use.
Then you have 6 gigs available, which is good. Almost 7 used in buffers/cache, which is good, the kernel likes that. "Only" 2 gigs free - the kernel tries to keep just a bit free, not much.
6603.551 used 6967.883 buff/cache 2351.809 free + ----------------- 15923,243 close enough to 16.
PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR SWAP S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 2689 root 20 0 2735400 2.047g 2.011g 388 S 0.664 13.16 59:26.39 X Well, your X is using a lot of RAM. 2 gigs. Mine take about 150 megs. Why that difference? :-? Maybe your display has very high resolution. Or many colours. Or something.
6429 jknott 20 0 6929668 1.666g 79636 0 S 0.000 10.71 10:56.17 chromium 1.6 gigs for chromium, but there are other chromium processes.
6383 jknott 20 0 5174852 1.002g 518716 66224 S 1.661 6.443 91:15.78 firefox 1 gig for firefox, then add the "Web Content".
So far we have 4.5 gigs in use. You can continue adding the other lines, you should get 6.6. (not being preciss, there is also shared memory).
7533 jknott 20 0 3763544 510912 223876 8092 S 1.661 3.133 15:03.56 Web Content 16432 jknott 20 0 3500248 473988 172168 26096 S 0.664 2.907 180:46.57 Web Content 2722 jknott 20 0 2899032 467184 112704 0 S 1.661 2.865 0:17.00 seamonkey-bin 16455 jknott 20 0 3311108 377300 158768 2720 S 1.329 2.314 25:51.38 Web Content 6416 jknott 20 0 5260464 342428 91016 8 S 0.000 2.100 5:18.55 chromium 7429 jknott 20 0 9424920 342424 48252 33488 S 0.000 2.100 3:07.85 WebExtensions 16511 jknott 20 0 3066376 296760 168196 11560 S 0.332 1.820 5:24.45 Web Content 16483 jknott 20 0 3176516 292752 149048 9516 S 1.329 1.795 24:19.16 Web Content 5752 jknott 20 0 1450596 288200 94344 16 S 0.332 1.768 12:17.20 chromium 3309 jknott 20 0 4341556 276532 111164 0 S 0.664 1.696 9:41.22 plasmashell 6736 jknott 20 0 5114568 235144 89184 20 S 0.000 1.442 2:24.57 chromium 16567 jknott 20 0 3233528 230640 111980 7988 S 0.332 1.415 7:43.07 Web Content 16539 jknott 20 0 3166252 214480 121516 7796 S 0.000 1.315 11:11.28 Web Content 7345 jknott 20 0 2843108 205760 89784 11936 S 0.664 1.262 4:12.01 Web Content 6046 jknott 20 0 5099932 191180 39152 60 S 0.332 1.172 1:24.37 chromium 16998 jknott 20 0 875120 174932 122868 0 S 0.000 1.073 2:48.27 chromium 6415 jknott 20 0 3439784 154840 61624 17748 S 4.983 0.950 21:46.71 amarok 22963 jknott 20 0 5039856 149444 89704 0 S 0.332 0.917 0:30.28 chromium 3305 jknott 20 0 2503644 131844 69844 0 S 0.000 0.809 0:42.11 krunner
You see the method... now you have to capture when there is much more swap in use.
-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org as one can plainly see, the upper portion containing the information from "top" is wrapped while the lower portion is not. afaik, "joe" still does not soft wrap anyway. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org